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The current price-rises seem to be mainly affecting grain-fed meat, not grassfed meat. This is because of the huge costs involved in raising grainfed meats(re needing antibiotics, fertilisers for the grain, the now-expensive oil needed for intensive-farming practices etc. etc.) Indeed, many farmers are turning to grassfed meats as the profit-margin is larger.
 
Personally, I've found that combining grassfed meat with the practice of Intermittent fasting and following a raw, palaeolithic diet means I actually spend much less money on food than in my SAD/junk-food days. Ten years ago, I would waste vast sums of money on crisps(what Americans call chips, I believe?), chocolate, fast-food etc.
 
Geoff> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:19:07 -0400> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Newbie Question - Organ Meats> To: [log in to unmask]> > I think the key element is what the animals are fed; far more so than> whether they are "organic" or not (which often means they are fed> "organic" grains and soy that are not good for them). Well fed means> free-range animals that are allowed to obtain their own food in their> natural habitat for most or all of their food (which means pasture-fed> beef/bison, free-range chickens, wild fish, game meats, etc.).> Unfortunately, this near-Paleo-quality meat is now astronomically> expensive where I live, whereas it was pretty reasonable when I started> the Paleo diet, and I can't do things like store half a pasture-fed> steer in a big basement freezer or other strategies that some people> here do. I predicted these price rises (though a lot of it is due to gas> price increases) and I predict far greater price rises in the future as> more people eat Paleo and low-carb and the world's population continues> to grow.> > When I do fat/protein/carb proportion analyses of my diet I find it is> very hard to get the fat proportion up, despite eating a diet high in> meat, but very easy to raise the carb proportion, as so much of the> non-dairy foods in supermarkets and even health food stores are high> carb and low fat and it's hard to eat a lot of fat when you don't eat> dairy foods like whole milk, cream and butter and avoid hydrogenated> oils (unless you eat bacon and sausage every day--and even they have a> lot of protein--or you eat a lot of suet, marrow, tongue or brain). So I> don't restrict my fat intake at all, but still probably eat less fat> than most Americans. I don't eat suet, marrow, tongue, brain or kidney> yet, so that contributes to the leanness of my diet, but I do sometimes> eat calf and chicken livers, as well as fatty wild fish. I also add> plenty of fish oil, flaxseed oil and olive oil to my diet, so it doesn't> get too lean (though I know several people here are against any> consumption of flaxseed or olive oil). > > For whatever reason, my health seems to fare best when I eat plenty of> beef jerky, wild salmon and other fish. Unfortunately, some people hate> the smell of fish when I clean it or cook it and others think eating> jerky or unbattered fish is wierd--some don't even know what jerky is. I> don't let the critical comments bother me (mostly from the younger> generations who rarely see, much less eat, foods that aren't processed),> but it undercuts my authority a bit because so many people seem to> assume that anyone who eats jerky or wild fish or doesn't eat processed> foods must be a misguided fanatic or a bit crazy. Trying to explain> healthy eating only seems to confirm the assumptions of many of these> people (so I usually don't bother). Luckily, there are some who grasp it> quickly.> > On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:23:16 +0100, "Ashley Moran" <[log in to unmask]>> said:> > On Jul 24, 2008, at 7:00 pm, Larry Magee wrote:> > > > > The Paleo Diet recommends lean meat but also recommends organ meats > > > that are> > > very high fat, like beef sweetbreads and tongue (see www.nutritiondata.com > > > ).> > > These organs from the young animal (veal) aren't too high in fat, > > > but would> > > probably hard to find.> > >> > > I'm assuming there are a lot of Paleo Dieters that eat the beef > > > sweetbreads> > > and tongue. Is the high fat okay? Also, all the organ meats are > > > pretty> > > high in cholesterol. What is the answer about that?> > > > > > Hi Larry> > > > As far as I'm concerned, Cordain is just plain *wrong* about fat. > > Animal fat is a very healthy, at least from well-fed organic animals, > > and should be a significant (if not your primary) source of energy.> > > > Dietary saturated fat and cholesterol do not cause any of the health > > issues they are alleged to. I suggest reading either The Cholesterol > > Con[1] or The Cholesterol Myths[2] and having a look at the THINCS > > site[3]. [1] is more accessible than [2], if you don't mind the > > scathing tone.> > > > It is my single biggest frustration that there no paleo book tells you > > to eat animal fat. Even Neanderthin tells you to trim excess fat from > > meat.> > > > Ashley ....> 
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