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> Date:    Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:28:12 -0400
> From:    Don Wiss <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Ancestral hunter-gatherers had clogged arteries?
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> Batsheva wrote:
>  >  Usually I have very low triglycerides and maybe
>  >my bad LDL is borderline but my good HDL is always way up there in the
>  >great range....
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> What do you mean by your "bad LDL is borderline." Have you had a VAP
> test that shows a lot of small dense particles? Generally (always?)
> if HDL is high and TG are low, the LDL composition with be mostly
> large fluffy, which is good.
>
> Apparently the drug companies now have people focusing solely on the
> total LDL. They do this as the total LDL is what their drugs lower.
>
> Don.
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> Date:    Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:02:14 -0700
> From:    David Harrison <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Ancestral hunter-gatherers had clogged arteries?
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> On Behalf Of Batsheva
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 12:59 PM
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> Subject: [Bulk] Re: Ancestral hunter-gatherers had clogged arteries?
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> So this is a question I've been harboring for the last year......
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> Can the body differentiate between paleo friendly insulin producing foods
> vs. neolithic?  And is the effect of paleo insulin producing foods as
> damaging?
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> The only insulin producing foods I eat are bananas topped with raw almond
> butter  and some cooked yams that I slather with red palm oil.   Supposedly
> Dr. Oz is saying 1 TB per day of unprocessed uncooked  extra virgin red
> palm
> oil cleans the arterial walls  of build up, and helps prevent Alzheimers by
> keeping the brain's  circulatory system  unclogged as well...  I probably
> average 1/2 yam per day and a banana every 3rd day.  I have been taking
> Ultra K-2 daily for the last year.
>
> Will my body be producing arterial crud regardless of whether I'm eating
> yams/bananas or if I was eating  any starchy food like white rice or
> potatoes?
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> I'm going for my yearly check up and will report back what my blood profile
> looks like.  Usually I have very low triglycerides and maybe my bad LDL is
> borderline but my good HDL is always way up there in the great range....
>
> Best,
> Batsheva, Cavegirl
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> As I see it the difference is between Fructose and glucose. Fructose has to
> be processed out by the liver and glucose does not. High fructose
> consumption is linked to all sorts of problems including diabetes, gout and
> high triglycerides. I think many people's problems with paleo has to do
> with
> too high a consumption of fruit. From a paleo perspective fruit consumption
> was a once a year occasion. Tubers will store all year, fruit wont.
> I did the potato "paleo-hack" for 2 weeks. Just ate white potatoes for 2
> weeks. My morning blood sugar was in the low 70s even though I ate all my
> calories from potatoes.
> Diabetes runs rampant in my family all my mother and all my aunts and
> uncles
> have it. One aunt controls (~100 blood sugar in am) by a very low carb
> paleo
> diet.
> Once I cut out ALL fructose containing foods. My morning blood sugar
> dropped
> to the 70-80 morning level. It used to be in the 95-105 level in the am. I
> basically eat meat, green leafy vegetables and low fructose tubers. The
> only
> fruit I eat is the occasional fried plantain. My rosacea also went away.
> This may not apply to anyone else, however, it is my experience. My morning
> blood sugar is lower than when I did a super low carb diet.
> -David
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> Date:    Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:58:57 -0700
> From:    Ron Hoggan <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Ancestral hunter-gatherers had clogged arteries?
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> -----Original Message-----
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> So this is a question I've been harboring for the last year......
>
> Can the body differentiate between paleo friendly insulin producing foods
> vs. neolithic?  And is the effect of paleo insulin producing foods as
> damaging?
>
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> Hi Batsheva,
> I would say that the answer is, for the most part, yes. One study has shown
> that gluten-free food reduces the appetite (among overweight women) by
> about
> 400 calories/day. An opioid blocking drug has been shown to have a similar
> impact on normal subjects. We know that gluten grains contain 5 separate
> opioid sequences, and opioid blocking drugs, or the removal of gluten from
> the diet, seems to stop that appetite enhancing dynamic that arises
> directly
> from grain cultivation/consumption.
>
> Similarly, we know that tryptophan, the precursor of the feel-good
> neurotransmitter, serotonin, is insulin insensitive, so a surge of insulin
> in response to highly glycemic foods (mostly neolithic and/or seasonal
> foods)  will leave more tryptophan in the bloodstream, and thus, more to be
> transported across the blood-brain-barrier.
>
> We also know that, while honey and other paleo sweets were available, the
> cost was sufficient, and they were rare enough, to serve as an unusual or
> occasional food that, while enjoyable, would not be a dietary staple.
>
> Unseasonable fruits and berries, such as we now see year-round in grocery
> stores, are not congruent with most paleo diet perspectives. It might be
> okay to eat bananas for a few weeks each year, but I don't think it is
> really congruent with paleo eating to consume bananas, berries, or other
> fruits all year long. The tilt of the earth decrees that most of earth's
> inhabitants have had to adapt to seasonal variations in their food supply.
>
> I think that there is an amazing convergence of dynamics, including hormone
> secretion, variances in hours of daylight, the changing seasons, and a host
> of other factors that make us produce lots of insulin in the summer and
> fall
> to store energy as body fat (just like many other mammals on the planet) so
> we are better equipped to survive the lean winter ahead. But we gain weight
> so slowly that, in terms of percentage of body weight, we would be unlikely
> to gain too much weight through summer and fall, so it would inhibit our
> survival through the winter.
>
> During winter, a number of hormonal and other factors including all of the
> above, converge to make our stored fats more accessible (dietary ketosis)
> and better equip us to survive the winter, when we will hunt the fats and
> meats of other animals that have also stored fat  for the coming winter.
> This intricate, elegant dance of our hormones, the sunlight, the seasons,
> and available foods is magnificently orchestrated by our genes, which have
> been honed by an equally amazing selection process that now leaves us
> vulnerable to the very appetites and proclivities that we have been
> developing since the first farmer sowed a few kernels of last year's wheat,
> now speeded by the technology and rapid transportation systems that allow
> us
> to sit under palm trees and nibble an arctic char,  while Inuit shoppers
> pick up a basket of strawberries at their Safeway store in early January.
>
> I do go on. :-)
> best wishes,
> Ron
>
> This reply is high prose, on a complicated subject, very good writing Ron.
>

Ken

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