Thanks. Lots of good sources to follow up - I'll get back to you if I have questions after I've done that. The 36-hour limit to avoid muscle wasting - do you know what research that number is based on?

Did it take awhile for your body to get on program? This is my third day of fasting (interspersed with low-calorie, <40g carb days) and my bg on awaking was 60. Okay, a little low...but after half an hour of cardio it had risen to 81, and after a tablespoon of coconut oil with my supplements it had risen to 95! Not only is that higher than the research-endorsed goal of 83, it doesn't make sense. Anyone have similar experiences?

Andrea


--- On Wed, 12/17/08, Joseph Berne <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Joseph Berne <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Intermittent Fasting
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 12:52 PM
> I've been IFing for 2 years now. I can't speak to
> the whole idea of
> cleansing or detoxifying (I don't personally buy into
> those), but do it more
> for help with insulin management (going long periods with,
> in theory, lower
> insulin levels) and alertness.  I found it easy to exercise
> and function on
> no food after a short adjustment period.
> 
> Try reading "The Warrior Diet" - I don't
> agree with everything in it, but it
> describes a type of intermittent fasting.  Google Fast-5
> for a free ebook
> about daily IF (fasting for a period of time each day, as
> opposed to ADF,
> where one fasts for a full day, then eats for a day, etc.) 
> There is a blog
> called leangains (Ithink it's on blogspot) on using IF
> to control body
> composition.  Rob Wolf has a bunch of posts on his blog and
> at
> crossfit.comabout IF and exercise.  Art Devany talks about
> it a lot,
> but I'm not sure
> how much of his content is still free.  Michael Eades
> discussed IF a couple
> of times on his blog, but has backed off a little recently.
> 
> I apologize for not having links, I'm writing from work
> and my access to the
> internet is spotty and controlled by a very aggressive
> filter :(
> 
> Most IF people advocate keeping fasts inside 36 hours to
> avoid muscle
> wasting.  I've had no trouble building muscle on a 20/4
> split.  If you need
> more info, please e-mail and I'll work on it tonight.
> 
> From a paleo perspective, the conventional wisdom that we
> can't peform
> athletically unless we eat every 3 hours doesn't really
> make sense - would
> we really have evolved to be poor hunters when hungry?  It
> seems more likely
> that our ability to hunt would be enhanced when we're
> most likely to want to
> hunt - when our bellies are empty!
> 
> I still remember my first 90 minute sparring class on ADF -
> not fun!  Now
> it's no problem, though.
> 
> Andrea Hughett wrote:
> 
> >  I've become interested in trying IF - well,
> actually, I AM trying it but
> >> want to know what I'm doing. Can you point me
> to articles, books, websites,
> >> etc that would give me more information? Or
> personal experiences - while
> >> anecdotal evidence is not scientifically
> conclusive, it can be fascinating.
> >>
> >> I'm also looking for studies on more extended
> fasting - how long can one
> >> go on severely reduced calorie and protein intake
> (greens and a few nuts)
> >> before muscle wasting and metabolic slowdown set
> in?
> >>
> >> Andrea
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
> 
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