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> From: Paleolithic Eating Support List 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of ginny wilken
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 11:41 AM
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> Subject: Re: Cooking Fats - was Re: Christmas Pudding
> 
> 
> On Dec 7, 2006, at 5:30 AM, Philip wrote:
> 
> > I see that kefir is milk fermented with yeast and bacteria. I
> > suppose that
> > would seem to put your diet somewhere in between a pastoral  
> > traditional diet
> > and a Paleo diet since soy and dairy are not considered Paleo.
> 
> Who said anything about soy? I never touch the stuff.

Sorry, I meant yeast.

> ... This isn't so far  
> from either Ray or Cordain, and I feel they've made some far wilder  
> excursions than I, healthwise.
>

Unfortunately, Ray is not here to defend himself these days (and I think
Loren only was active in the PaleoDiet forum for a brief period, not in this
one), but I know he'd disagree with you and I'm sure the two of you could
have an interesting discussion on that. :-)

> ...
> or antinutrition. Sure, it's not Paleo, so pardon me while I check  
> out its effects. I haven't been getting this stuff for very long, so  
> it's all an experiment right now. ...

As you probably know, improved diet is not a total cure for everyone. For
example, an immune system that has gone haywire is difficult to get back
under control. Improved diet can put autoimmune disorders ("diseases of
civiliation") into total remission for some people, but for others there is
only partical improvement or a period of near or total remission followed by
a gradual return of symptoms, albeit usually less severe than before the
dietary improvement. Also, some physical damage done by the "diseases of
civilization" (what I sometimes call "modern foods syndrome") can be
permanent and therefore unresponsive to dietary change.

Good luck Ginny. Let us know how it goes.