I agree with you about the kids.  Ever try to get kids to eat vegetables,
and they don't even start to try to eat them, but they will down a whole
bottle of Tylenol?
What gives????????????

With carbs, I don't think it is just carbs..............at least not fairly
natural carbs.  But really look at what kids and adults eat when they don't
really care what they eat...................chips, cookies, candy, biscuits,
ice cream, donuts, sugar cereals, pancakes smothered in syrup, etc.  THAT is
the normal American diet.  Then add a constant supply of sugar via soft
drinks, fruit drinks, sugar laden yogurt, pie.  It goes on and on.  I'm a
parent and live the normal American life, mingling with many other
parents............this is the norm.  School food is all like this too.
Eventually the pancreas  and the tissues of the body are poisoned by this
steady stream of high glycemic index foods, day after day, week after week,
year after year.  It breaks down the body eventually, for most
people..............leading to obesity, high blood pressure, stroke, heart
disease, kidney disease, diabetes, and an addiction to these foods.  We all
suffer in different degrees, and in different ways.
But to compare a Vietnamese person's diet of rice, with little or no sugar,
is not a good comparison.  How many Mountain Dews are they drinking?  How
many dunkin' donuts for breakfast?  No, their diet is practically paleo
compared to the normal American diet.

P
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Genova" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: Fat People


> In response to  the assertion that the Asian population suffers a  high
> incidence of stroke,  I think we would have to factor in the frequent  use
of
> tobacco in their lifestyle, as well as the  consumption of white rice.
How
> about other populations that eat a rice centered diet such as the
Vietnamese,
> the Javanese, the Bhutanese,  Sri Lankans, etc.  Do they also suffer from
> strokes?
>
> Also, do Asians living in crowded cities have a higher stroke rate than
those
> living in the countryside?  Doesn't stress contribute to stroke?  I would
> imagine living in the squalid, cramped conditions of many Chinese cities
> might be as much of a factor as eating white rice.
>
> How about economics as a factor?  Don't poor people face more day to day
> stress than those who are more comfortable?  Wouldn't a working class
Asian
> father with lots of mouths to feed be under a greater stress than an Asian
> businessman?   What statistics are there to compare their levels of
stroke?
>
> Hey - maybe white rice isn't a factor at all!!!
>
> I'm not defending white rice, but I think the argument which points all
> fingers at  a high carb diet are flawed.   My initial comments with
regards
> to the Asian eating habits  were based on  merely  going by what I see and
> experience in my day to day life with respect to the various ethnic groups
I
> am fortunate to be surrounded by.  Not very scientific, I agree, but real
> life does count for something.
>
>  I think Amadeus tries to do the same in many of his comments.  While the
> scientific papers may say one thing, there is the  person staring you in
the
> face who defies the "research".  I can not speak for Amadeus, but I think
> that may be what he meant when he said (roughly paraphrased), "But where
are
> all the fat people who eat a  whole grain centered diet?"   He wasn't
talking
> about the "well to do"  monarchy throughout history.  He was simply
stating
> the glaring reality that those who eat a  whole grain based diet as
opposed
> to an animal based diet   tend to be svelte. He was being rhetorical.    I
> seem to recall Todd Moody saying something similar about his coworkers.
They
> follow the food pyramid and seem to be slim.  He follows paleolithic diet
> principles, and continues to struggle with weight issues.  So which would
you
> choose - fat and "anthropologically correct" or thin and "agriculturally
> compromised?
>
> And just for the record, Amadeus looks pretty good, as I remember from his
> photo.  But wait, is that allowed here?  To actually say a VEGETARIAN
looks
> healthy and fit and strong........  I can feel the list swell with rancor
in
> their response..
>
> SOOOOOOO, the real issue, IMHO,  is that eating paleo, eating
"Schwarzbein"
> eating according to "Ray", eating in the Zone, out of the Zone or in the
end
> Zone, doesn't hold the key to the real mysteries of life.  Life just is,
and
> its us that have to fit into the  Grand Plan, not the other way around ( I
> don't care how many controlled portions of  40-30-30 you eat!!)
>
> I also have a problem with the assertion that  very young kids & babies
left
> to their own, will nourish themselves perfectly.  I've seen  breast fed
> toddlers,  raised on 100% natural, whole foods try to drink  kerosene,
whole
> pint size jars of cod liver oil,  automobile antifreeze and gnaw on the
> family car keys ( AND DON"T TELL ME THE KID MUST HAVE NEEDED EXTRA
MINERALS
> IN HIS DIET).    Who are the people that write these books, what reality
do
> they occupy  and what planet to they really come
from???????????????????????
>
>
> Sorry to rant.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Judy Genova, cavegirl
>
>