My original response to the original post really didn't have anything to do
with my questioning of the beliefs of William or anyone else.  I actually
don't care who believes what.  I have good friends who are total
fundamentalists, but through mutual respect we don't get into it.

My problem was that in posting the linked article chosen by William included
severe hate speech, while legal, was in extremely poor taste.

I am on this forum for good Paleo articles, recipes, etc.  Not to read your
support of Nazi sympathisers and white supremacists.

William-

Believe that we were created by skunk farts for all you want, just keep your
hate speech away from my diet.

Zack

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 3:36 PM, steve <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Well, one can study the writings on philosophy over the centuries on how
> one can determine what is really "real", how one only has their sensory
> input to analyze which doesn't prove what is "out there" beyond the mind.
>  One however still has their perception of existence to deal with.
>
> I find the evidence compelling that evolution is the best explanation.
> Hence, evolution isn't a matter of "belief" and is not on the same level as
> believing myths.  Myths are not subject to evidence since the believers in
> myths tend to ignore evidence against them.  However, evidence can change
> over time and theories have to be adjusted or changed.  Science doesn't
> "prove" anything but is flexible and pragmatic.
>
> "Faith" requires no evidence so one can "make-up" whatever religion and
> myths one wants and as you say, claim "faith" is reason enough to believe
> their creations.  I recommend "The Church of the SubGenius" as as fully
> valid as any "faith" belief system one wishes to fantasize.
>
> <http://www.subgenius.com/>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius>
>
> Those claiming "faith" as enough to gamble their lives on generally tend to
> be, on these groups, some sort of biblical based mythology and these people
> generally dismiss any other multitudes of "faiths" in all their mutually
> exclusive varieties, all of which are good enough to believe both
> individually and collectively as equally valid based on their "faith"
> sufficiency argument.  One could believe in creations myths and dogma from
> Egyptian sources, Pagan, Sumerian, Indian, Chinese, Russian,  Nordic,
> Jewish, any all others sources at the same time since "faith" is apparently
> "enough" and believing them all at the same time doesn't cause them
> cognitive dissonance.
>
> Perhaps, we should just stick with all the versions of "paleo" myths. Watch
> out for your dead ancestors who spirits are reincarnated in the trees and
> play tricks on you!  "Faith" is after all all one needs to believe in this
> irrationality.
>
> Steve
>
>
> zack passman wrote:
>
>> I don't understand when a person tells me that there is no proof of
>> evolution and so they'll stick to faith.
>> **
>> *Wouldn't belief in evolution then be faith and equally reasonable?*
>>
>> Or maybe that doesn't hold water because it isn't *their* faith and any
>> differing faith would be laughable and wrong.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:34 PM, steve <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  william wrote:
>>>
>>> steve wrote:
>>>>  The evidence for
>>>>
>>>> some version of evolution is compelling while there is a dearth of
>>>>> evidence for a plethora of deities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please quote the evidence for some version of evolution, so that I too
>>>> can
>>>> join the happy crowd of believers.
>>>> Without evidence, it remains a hypothesis, fairy tale, whatever.
>>>>
>>>> William
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090521/ap_on_re_us/us_prayer_death
>>>
>>> There is an abundance of evidence in many scientific fields that add
>>> weight
>>> to the theory of evolution.  I find that evidence for evolution
>>> abundance,
>>> wide ranging from geology, anthropology, genetics, species
>>> differentiation,
>>> etc., while the evidence for a plethora of deities is completely
>>> non-existence so definitely not repeatable.  No evidence for fairy tales,
>>> the same category as mythology.  One cannot even use the religious
>>> mythology
>>> to decide in any rational way which set of gods one must offer libations
>>> too
>>> or practice self mutilations for.
>>>
>>> “That's the problem with religion: you beat your way past the [greedy]
>>> clerics, fight your way through the demons, stand before the holy of
>>> holies,
>>> and when you rip away the veil, there's nothing there but a mirror.”
>>> --Owen
>>> Rowley quote
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Steve - [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>> "The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you
>>> run out of Other People's Money." --Margaret Thatcher
>>>
>>> "Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism"
>>>
>>> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at
>>> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> --
>
> Steve - [log in to unmask]
>
> "The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you
> run out of Other People's Money." --Margaret Thatcher
>
> "Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism"
>
> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at
> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
>