At 05:15 AM 7/17/98 -0400, you wrote:
>On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:37:46 -0700, Ray Audette <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>The relationship between Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons is still being
>>hotly debated.  Recent DNA studies have sugested that modern men
>><snip>
>>A similar animal anology exists that may preclude such claims.
>>Anatomical dogs first appear in the fossil record about 12,000 years ago.
>>DNA studies show than they began to split off from wolves about 120,000
>>years ago.
>Hey Ray, what are you going to imply with your wolf's-story?
>That some humans still bear neanderthal-genes?
>DNA-Analysis shows clearly that last common anchestors
>died 120000 years ago.
>Neanderthal skeletons are easyly distinguished from cro-magnons by many
>signs (not by br
>ain size, theirs was bigger... ).
>Take it as a fact, their story did not continue,
>if you leave out, maybe Arnold Schwarzenegger (just a joke).
>
>So if you book-title is Neanderthin....
>it's still a great title - let them remain extinct.

The point being that the DNA analysis is wrong.  You really should look up
some
references on both neoteny and the type of DNA analysis for dating.  In
short,
the 'DNA dating' technique makes certain _assumptions_ about the time
necessary
to change various genes in the sequence.  Neoteny as a theory provides a
way for
relatively large changes in DNA to occur in a much shorter time.  The wolf-dog
example is strong evidence that the DNA dating has serious problems.  Also, it
would be helpful to look up some references on the Neaderthal debate; there is
no concensus wether Neaderthal are our direct ancestors or not (or a few other
possibilities).  The DNA dating was supposed to be big evidence for the
'not' camp
but it seems clear to me and alot of others that this is not the case.

>><snipsnip>
>>One man with dogs can still
>>out hunt 20 without (or a wolf pack), perhaps some speculate,leading to
>>the Pleistocene extinctions which led to the Neolithic Revolution!
>And one !Kung woman (or man) collecting nuts can out-gather her hunting
>relatives in an hour....
>Neanderthal extinction was 33000BC,
>Neolithic Revolution was 10000BC,
>simply after climate allowed it. I can't see a connection.
>It were the same people - CroMagnon.
>
>>Ray Audette (who considers Falconry to be a daily totemic religious
>>ritual)
>>Author "NeanderThin:A Caveman's Guide to Nutrition"
>
>regards
>Amadeus Schmid
>t (who likes falcons but is not into falconry)
>Not yet an Author
>

Wade Reeser