Well, Todd, it does sound monotonous but how is your health overall? After
all, body fat is but an indicator of overall health.

I'd love to lose some weight but am really unable to summon the will power
that the law of diminishing returns dictates is all out of proportion to the
amount of weight loss. The first 30 pounds are the easy ones and the last 10
are the toughest ones in the world. So tough that it ain't worth the price.

But fortunately I find that I feel very healthy and have few of the problems
I used to have before paleo.

Interestingly, I find that caloric intake doesn't cause me to gain much
weight, even if the calories are carbs. It's practically impossible for me
to gain weight on paleo even if I eat dried fruit for instance.

It's the "empty" calories (cheating) that cause my weight to increase.

--Richard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Moody" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [P-F] Complementary Proteins (was: Lucy seen)


> On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Philip Thrift wrote:
>
> > >Yes, that appears to be right.  And your approach does not appear
> > >to work for me.  If my carbs are low enough then the amount of
> > >meat I have to eat to satisfy my appetite is sufficient either to
> > >prevent weight loss or to cause weight gain.  The trick seems to
> > >be to get enough carbs to control appetite so that I don't
> > >overeat protein and fat.  I can do it, but it seems to be a very
> > >narrow path indeed.
> >
> > But can you reduce body fat % -- or do you feel there is a threshold
> > you can't go below ?
>
> By my calculations, I have not been able to get my body fat below
> 15-16%, which actually isn't bad.  At the moment, it's about
> 17-18%.
>
> For example, suppose I attempt an all-meat diet.  For a few days,
> all is well and I lose body fat steadily.  As this occurs, I
> start to get hungrier and I crave more fat.  No surprise there.
> I feel like I want to eat every hour or so.  If I yield to my
> appetite I will be eating large steaks at meals and piles of
> chicken wings between meals.  Fat loss will stop and, after a
> while, I will start to gain fat.  I've tried this enough times to
> know the drill pretty well.
>
> I tried your "turkey and water" plan for a few days, but simply
> lacked the will power to continue.  Not only was it monotonous,
> but my cravings for fat, or carbs, or *anything* but more turkey
> were overwhelming.
>
> The Anchell diet is very boring, but it seems to work by allowing
> me just enough carbs to keep my appetite in check so that I don't
> overeat protein and fat.  But over the long term is it difficult
> to maintain because it is so restricted.  My results are good,
> hoever, even if they are not as good as the results you get.  I
> am still high-intensity weight training once every five days or
> so.
>
> So the routine for me is to do the Anchell diet or some equally
> restrictive version of Neanderthin for as long as I can stand it,
> then lapse and gain weight for a while, and so on.
>
> Todd Moody
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