Want to know more about the paleo diet?  Read the book The Paleo Diet.

Jim Swayze
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On Jul 3, 2009, at 10:43 PM, Padraig Hogan <[log in to unmask]>  
wrote:

> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:12:31 -0400, Paleo Phil <[log in to unmask]>  
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:18:10 -0400, Padraig Hogan
> <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>> I suggest you read Man The Hunted and similar books which completely
>>> overturn the idea of man hunting for meat, and stop getting your
> information
>>> from people suffering from metabolic syndrome off the internet and  
>>> off of
>>> blogs.
>>>
>>
>> Padraig, I'll read Man the Hunted if you read The Paleolithic  
>> Societies of
>> Europe by Clive Gamble, in which extensive evidence is documented  
>> that
>> Paleolithic peoples hunted, butchered and ate aurochs, bison,  
>> horse, bear,
>> deer and other animals. I also recommend that you read about the  
>> problems
>> with a fruitarian diet at http://beyondveg.com/cat/fruit-dreams/index.shtml
>> and the benefits of a diet based on meat/fat/organs in the writings  
>> of
>> Vilhjalmur Stefansson.
>>
>
> I could be wrong on this I bet those were confined mainly to late  
> paleolithic
> times. Adult male humans have been hunted, butchered and eaten alive  
> by
> leopards, lions, tigers, snakes, hyenas, bears, even wolves (despite  
> reports
> you may have heard to the contrary for North American wolves) and so  
> on.
> Now... the authors don't present views that we were all strict  
> fruitarians or
> explicitly claim what paleo man ate, but they do support their  
> opinion that we
> were all scaredy-cats hiding out in caves etc. and not hunting for  
> game too
> much ourselves.
>
>> Despite knowing that you likely won't read Gamble's book or much of  
>> the
>> other stuff, I bear no grudge against you, because I realized some  
>> time ago
>> that fruitarians, vegetarians, vegans, and near-vegetarians are my  
>> greatest
>> allies. Your and their eating of nutritionally deficient diets  
>> keeps the
>> prices of meats, fats and organs down so that I can afford to feast  
>> on the
>> foods I thrive best on. Your suffering ensures my salvation. I  
>> would like to
>> offer my thanks to you for that (granted, I do eat some fruits,  
>> greens, nuts
>> and such, so I would be more in your debt if you ate grains,  
>> legumes and
>> dairy, but I won't quibble).
>>
>
> And let me extend you my gratitude for keeping fruit prices down.
>
> To be honest I try to keep it to myself a lot, if every fruitarian  
> went out and
> proclaimed it to the world then they'd convert so many people we'd  
> all have to
> either eat processed foods or starve. However, I hate seeing my  
> fellow human
> beings (those who are naturally low-protein probably more related to  
> me),
> suffering to I try to proclaim it to those who will listen  
> anyway.... and
> especially try to denounce misinformation about how paleolithic man  
> ate.
>
>> As a matter of fact, I've recently learned that I do better on a  
>> diet even
>> lower in carbs and higher in meats & fats than I expected and have  
>> started
>> to post here again to share my success. I had been eating lots of  
>> Paleo
>> plant foods, including significant carbs, and a relatively lean  
>> diet (based
>> in part on the fact that I didn't digest some fats well or like  
>> their taste
>> or mouth feel). I had long suspected that wasn't optimal and I  
>> gradually
>> shifted to a lower-carb, higher-fat diet with increasing amounts of  
>> fat and
>> raw meat and have experienced remarkable improvements.
>>
>
> I think it may be a bit like a movie or book that you think is  
> amazing and yet
> you can't for the life of you understand why someone else hates it,  
> or vice
> versa. As unbelievable as it may seem, people are just wired very  
> differently
> sometimes and this extends to biology. Yes, some people really,  
> really do
> better on a low-protein diet. You may be suffering from insulin and  
> adrenal
> problems from earlier bad indiscretions in life such that you've  
> become super-
> sensitive and the tiniest hint of carbs will get your insulin to  
> gush out, others
> don't have that problem. Just find what's right for you and suits  
> you best.
>
>> Cutting out nightshades entirely proved quite beneficial. It was  
>> always a
>> questionable food category to me, but for a while I thought that at  
>> least
>> some of the nightshades were probably benign and maybe even  
>> healthy. Not
>> long after I experienced benefits from eliminating them, Dr. Cordain
>> reported research results that identifies nightshades as containing  
>> saponins
>> and other antinutrients that contribute to gut permeability and  
>> autoimmune
>> diseases like MS.
>>
>
> I don't even know what nightshades are, but if they're not a fruit  
> then I
> wouldn't be too shocked if they're bad for you. Fruits are the  
> nearly perfect
> food (probably perfect in the wild), they are the food of choice for  
> all
> primates.
>
>> I tried vegetarianism and near-vegetarianism years ago and did not  
>> do well
>> on them. As for fruits, I find that if I eat too much fruit,  
>> especially
>> sugary fruits like dried fruits and fruit juices, I develop lots of  
>> dead
>> skin, placque, bleeding gums, etc., so a fruitarian diet is not for  
>> me, but
>> you're welcome to it.
>>
>
> I never really tried strict vegetarianism as I'm not a fanatic. I  
> think I will
> always take more than one serving of fish per week. Fruit juices are  
> not fruit,
> ESPECIALLY not ones that are sweetened... although I have often  
> picked up
> delicious blueberry juice when they're out of season.
>
>>> Wild men are savages, savages hunt for meat... tribes hunt for  
>>> meat...
>> clearly ...
>>
>> That's an ugly display of ethnocentrism toward traditional peoples  
>> on your
>> part. Re: that I recommend you read Ishmael by Daniel Quinn.
>>
>
> No, it wasn't that at all. My point was that it was that sort of  
> thinking that
> helped propagate the idea of "Man the Hunter".
>
>> If you are one of the trolls that stop by this forum from time to  
>> time,
>> you'll find your efforts to be a complete waste of time. As far as  
>> I can
>> tell, none of the trolls has ever changed the mind of anyone here  
>> because
>> the Paleo Diet and variations on it have been have been working for  
>> us and
>> the trolls have been sorely lacking in evidence and good sense.
>
> Maybe it's because of the dogma that seems to be floating around  
> here and
> the net in general that the Paleo Diet consisted of a very high  
> amount of meat
> protein.