The classic book on this is Spicer's Cycles of Conquest. Interesting name, 
reflecting a certain orientation toward violence and conquest. The ancient 
Indo-Europeans were supposed to have spread their languages through 
conquest, too, but the latest view is that it was through agricultural 
expansion.
Food dominates!
Pat Barrett  [log in to unmask] - whose doctor predicted he'd never get his 
b/p down by diet alone. Hah!
http://ideas.lang-learn.us/barrett.php

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kathryn Rosenthal" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 2:03 PM
Subject: S. NM Apache & S. NM diet


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Pat Barrett" <[log in to unmask]>
>
>> Thanks, Kath. Totally fascinating post, esp the barter part.
>> In 1979 I attended a conference on Native American nutrition and one 
>> thing pointed out was that a lot of nutrients came from the ash from the 
>> cooking fire floating up and then falling into the food. Also, the 
>> minerals from the grinding stones and other stone paraphernalia 
>> contributed.
>>
>
>
> Thanks, Pat.  I never heard or thought about nutrients from ash or 
> minerals from grinding stones.  Most interesting.  I have a close friend 
> who inherited several very old grinding stones that were found out in the 
> desert in what is now White Sands Missile Range.  The stones were most 
> likely from Mogollan peoples.  She's going to donate them to the Apache 
> museum in Mescalero the next time we get up there.
>
> I attended a "Full Moon" lecture at White Sands Monument last night....we 
> drove in the dark about 20 minutes beyond the monument, snaking through 
> white dunes where many movies have been filmed (outer space flics).  The 
> moon was enormous.  During the lecture we saw a white burst of light in 
> the night sky; no idea what it was.  The archeologist giving the lecture 
> said that the Mogollon people disappeared from the region about 1450 - 
> coinciding w/ the approx. date of Apache arrival.  No sign of warfare 
> though; probably a mini-ice age crop failure event.
>
> The archeologist has found many pottery shards in the area (high Mescalero 
> mts. nxt. to the dune area) dating to approx. 500 A.D.  I am fascinated by 
> the waves of different peoples who have come to this area....hunter 
> gatherers replaced or turned into agriculturalists who were then replaced 
> by hunter gatherers who turned to agriculture....   I wonder if many other 
> areas on the planet had similar waves when people lived in an area and 
> then totally dropped agriculture after adopting it then went back to it 
> due to climatic conditions.
>
> I incorrectly tended to think in linear terms re. h&g then agri.  The 
> exerpt from a paper below says the Mogollon culture might hv started 
> around 250 BC. They were here for approx. 1800 yrs during which, at some 
> time, they became agriculturalists.
>
> Kath
> www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/archaeology/artifacts/gilapottery.html
>