While a Palaeo diet  does  tend to reduce one's layers of fat, I don't think it leads to lower muscle-mass - after all, skeletal evidence indicates that Palaeolithic-era cavemen were far stronger than modern humans(though that was also due to increased daily physical activity, as well).. The trouble is that most  of the gurus you're talking about follow high-protein/low-fat diets. Perhaps if people incorporated far more fats into their diet(like our Palaeo ancestors seem to have done), then they would be bulkier. 

Geoff


 "Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognised. In the first it is ridiculed, in the second it is opposed, and in the third it is regarded as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer.   

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> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:28:52 -0400
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> Subject: Re: Newbie Question - Organ Meats
> To: [log in to unmask]
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Paleolithic Eating Support List
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Purcell
>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:37 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Newbie Question - Organ Meats
>> 
>> There are various ways to cut down on costs as regards buying grassfed
>> meats, IMO:-
>> 
>> ....
>> Go low-carb. The fewer carbs and the higher the amount of animal-fat
>> one eats, the lower one's appetite is. You'd be surprised how your
>> appetite drops after eating a pound or two of suet/marrow/tongue etc.,
>> all of which are rich in fat. 
> 
> Only problem is, I'm very thin as it is and am currently trying to put on
> some pounds (which is incredibly difficult for me while eating a near-Paleo
> diet). :) Most people I've personally seen who eat Paleo and stick with it
> eventually become very lean (including people I've seen only in photos, like
> S. Boyd Eaton, Loren Cordain, Loren's assistant Wiley Long, Ray Audette--all
> skinnies--and most photos of hunter-gatherer peoples)--with exceptions--Art
> Devany and some hunter gatherers are heavily muscled or look slightly plump
> (and would still probably be considered lean-to-moderate weight by most
> Americans).
> 
> As a matter of fact, one of the offputting factors of Paleo is that people
> look at the lean frames of Paleo dieters and decide they don't want to look
> that thin themselves or assume the Paleo dieters must be anorexic or
> malnourished or something. One person even said to me, "I don't want to go
> totally [Paleo] because I don't want to get as skinny as I was in high
> school"--which did happen to me. :) Based on what I've read, some people
> here apparently are not thin, but I don't know if their diets differ
> significantly from those I mentioned or not.
> 
>> 1 whole, wild-hare carcass(costs me anywhere from 7 to 12 pounds
>> sterling, depending on which farmers' market I visit, usually it's 10
>> pounds). By contrast, I can pay up to 28 pounds for a kilo of grassfed
>> beef(ie fillet-steak) - and the wild-hare tastes SO much better, by
>> comparison.
>> 
>> Farmers' markets are also ideal re getting hold of wildcaught raw
>> seafood cheap fishmonger's. I can get things like whole, live  lobster
>> at 17 pounds, wildcaught crabs for 3 pounds per crab, extra-large
>> oysters at 7 UK pounds for 10 of them, a huge bag of (150?/200?) live
>> mussels) for 4 UK pounds  etc.
> 
> I've been to farmers' markets in New England, New York state and Florida in
> the US, but never noticed any wild foods at them--only farmed foods, and
> increasingly, citified trinkets that have nothing to do with farming or
> food. Sounds like you have excellent farmers' markets in the UK.
> 
> Thanks for the suggestions. The bulk buying and storage ideas don't work for
> me in my circumstances right now, but maybe someday in the future. Also, I
> was comparing the prices of equal quantities of meat, so if one bought
> grain-fed meats in bulk it would likely be even cheaper than grass-fed bulk
> meats. Comparing bulk grass-fed prices to standard grain-fed prices is not
> an equal comparison.
> 
>>  "Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognised. In
>> the first it is ridiculed, in the second it is opposed, and in the
>> third it is regarded as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer.
> 
> That's an excellent quote, by the way. Paleolithic nutrition is still in the
> ridicule stage. When it becomes self-evident it will shake the world, as it
> challenges many of the foundational concepts and cultural norms of
> civilization, including the idea of the total supremacy of civilization over
> "savagery."
> 
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