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From: "Phosphor" <[log in to unmask]>
> pasteurisation kills the healthy bacteria, allowing unhealthy bacteria to
> proliferate.
Hmmm.........., though agreed that pathogens can survive pasteurization
(which is not the same as sterilization).
>the claims of risks of leukemia, tuberculosis etc seem to be
> greatly exaggerated.
I don't know if they are or not. I'm not a researcher/expert. But just
about any claim can be wildly exaggerated whenever someone has a reason or
purpose to skew the facts. As I said, things may be different in Oz, but
American dairy herds are widely infected with Bovine Leukemia/Leukosis Virus
(BLV). The milk is not dumped from infected cows but goes into the
commercial supply, unless a cow starts pumping large numbers of white cells
into the milk, and it's caught. The government is pretty tolerant about
this, probably because of sheer economics. There would have to be a massive
kill off of cows, akin to the BSE and Foot and Mouth disease eradication
efforts in Europe. The government is far less tolerant of TB, but there's
also far less incidence of it in herds. Husband says TB is "panic button"
time because an entire state can get slapped with a quarantine--its milk not
allowed to travel out of state. TB is taken very seriously.
>if you can provide stats otherwise then by all means.
I trust that you found to your satisfaction the Oz stats you were seeking
when you inquired into the issue last year.
Cars are certainly deadly, as you say, and *possibly* far moreso than the
commercial food supply. But, you know, I really kind of doubt it given what
we already know about our food supply. We're the great "guinea pig"
generation. Bummer.
BLV is *not known* to be transmissible to humans. This doesn't mean that it
may not be. (Transmissibility theories are occasionally invalidated by
actual cases, however few there may be. Sometimes, things aren't "supposed"
to happen, but they do.) And it is said that pasteurization kills BLV and a
public health risk is *doubtful.* Good thing, because it is known that 89%
of U.S. dairy herds contain BLV-positive cattle. I'll leave the raw milk
to you--but, really, I'm just trying to leave all milk. It's my last hurdle
to becoming full-paleo as we currently understand full-paleo to be.
Here are some links, in case you wish to read more.
APHIS (Animal & Plant Health Inspection Service, an arm of the USDA)
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/ceah/cahm/Dairy_Cattle/d96blv.htm
Kansas State Univ:
http://www.oznet.ksu.edu/library/lvstk2/EP51.PDF
Ditto:
http://www.oznet.ksu.edu/ansi/nletter/dl/97/dl0797.pdf
Abstract, BLV in human breast tissue:
http://www.ucop.edu/srphome/bcrp/progressreport/abstracts/etiology/2ib0001.h
tml
Ditto (and scant mention that BLV can infect non-human primates):
http://www.ucop.edu/srphome/bcrp/progressreport/abstracts/etiology/3fb0087.h
tml
Primate T-cell lymphoma/leukemia retrovirus shares a common ancestor with
BLV:
http://zoology.byu.edu/crandall_lab/docs&data/pdf_files/1996/PTLV96.pdf
Anyway, Andrew, I wasn't trying to argue with you or try to convince you not
to drink raw milk, even though I do think it's not a wise choice to do so
unless you know the health of the cow(s) you get it from.
Theola
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