I have a problem in general, especially fasting, where my BGs go very high. They only get lower after I eat protien with fat. I think this is due to my type II diabetes. I am overweight and am loosing. I take 1050 mgs of metformin per day, 4 mg of glyburide per day and am supposed to take 2, 10 mcg injection of Byetta per day. Paleo eating has necessitated changing the amount of meds. I haven't found a balance yet. 

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From:         Ron Hoggan <[log in to unmask]>



Date:         Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:34:53 

To: <[log in to unmask]>

Subject: Re: Zero Carb Paleo





Thanks for the fascinating discussion of FBG.



Here is another datum point: 

I can alter my FBG by manipulating my fat intake. For instance, if I eat a moderate carb, moderate protein, moderate fat diet, on a given day, my FBG the following morning will range between 90 and 110. (I measure in mmol/L and am converting by multiplying my results by 18 so there may be some conversion error.)



If, on the other hand, I eat a high fat, very low carb, moderate protein diet, my FBG will predictably be between 80 and 90. 



When I fast, my FBG will go back up into the 90s if I have previously been eating carbs but if I have been eating low carb, moderate protein, and high fat for a few days prior to fasting, my FBG will range in the 70s and I will drop weight quite quickly.  



I suspect that the higher FBG following a few days of moderate carb diet somehow incites gluconeogenesis to meet energy needs, while the low FBG following a few days of low carb dieting incites burning fats for energy. 



I haven't tried a high protein, low carb, low fat diet yet. 

Best Wishes, 

Ron

      

 

> [log in to unmask] wrote:

> > Todd > Interestingly, I've noticed that fasting or eating no carbs do

> > not help to get my FBG down.

> >

> > As you're well aware, Todd, if one eats more than the amount of protein

> > needed for tissue repair (something close to 100g per day),

> > gluconeogenesis kicks in and simply converts the excess to glucose.

> > Have you measured your fbg on a *moderate protein*, zero carb, unlimited

> > quality fat diet?

> >

> > Jim Swayze

> > www.fireholecanyon.com

> >

> >

> 

> That's right.  Well, when I was doing one-meal-a-day intermittent

> fasting, I doubt I was getting more than 100g of protein per day;

> probably less.  That regimen, at least, had little impact on my FBG.

> It's possible, however, that smaller amounts of protein throughout the

> day would work better, with zero carbs, so that might be worth a try.  I

> realize that zero carbs is doable, but is there any good reason to do

> it?  That is, does a zero carb diet have advantages that a ketogenic

> diet with some carbs doesn't have?

> 

> Todd Moody