Good points. But let us never forget that science and theology are not  
necessarily incompatible.

Jim Swayze
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On Jul 22, 2009, at 1:42 PM, Joseph Berne <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> "Proof" in the mathematical sense is a straw man in these  
> arguments.  What
> I mean is, by saying there's no "proof" for a particular claim or  
> theory
> sounds like you're saying that theory or claim is completely  
> unsupported,
> when in reality *almost nothing* we know can be "proven" in the strict
> sense.  Think about it - I can't even prove that I'm actually  
> sitting here
> at a computer - I could conceivably be a brain in a box being fed  
> images
> that make me think I'm sitting in a chair writing e-mail.  If I'm  
> not even
> sure (in the sense of able to prove)  that the external world is  
> real then I
> certainly can't prove or disprove evolution.
>
> There is a tremendous amount of evidence supporting human evolution,  
> but
> it's not provable any more than it is provable that anybody outside  
> your own
> consciousness is even real.  We should never ask for hypotheses like
> evolution to be proven, but rather to be supported, and then we must
> recognize that most scientific theories are open to be overturned at  
> some
> point in the future.  Aliens could come down tomorrow and provide
> overwhelming evidence that they planted early humans here, and that  
> we were
> designed by them and did not, in fact, evolve.  However, until those  
> aliens
> show up, denying the massive evidence supporting human evolution is  
> either a
> case of somebody being willfully ignorant or hiding a theological  
> stance
> behind scientific - sounding (but unscientific) arguments.
>
>
>
>>
>> Meanwhile, there is plenty of evidence for human evolution.  It may  
>> not
>> amount to *proof*, but of course evidence and proof are not the same
>> thing.  Proof is seldom, if ever, available for any scientific  
>> hypothesis.
>> That doesn't stand in the way of there being evidence for the  
>> hypothesis.
>>
>> Todd Moody
>>
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