Honestly, sweetie, I usually read all of the posts here, but this was a long one and I'm really tired, lol.  I feed my dogs raw and if I'm missing something here I am so sorry.  They never get wings, but they were on sale this week, a big huge pack, and yep they smell bad by now, they are still getting it.  They haven't died yet, and they weigh about two or three pounds each, lol.  Me, I wouldn't eat it, yick, lol.  

--- On Sun, 12/28/08, Geoffrey Purcell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: Geoffrey Purcell <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Rawpalaeo/ Was RE: Christmas morning yummy-ness Re: Roast beast
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 8:27 AM

 
Actually, most rawpalaeos don't have to worry about the temperature in
meats unless they, unusually, go in for practices such as drying meats, where
they have to be careful not to go over the temperature where enzymes start
getting destroyed(c.40 degrees Celsius/104 degrees Fahrenheit, though some
partially-raw people go over that temperature). Drying meats is usually only
used for travelling by most RPDers as it can be very inconvenient getting hold
of decent food-sources when abroad, and storage of raw meats is also an issue,
in such a situation.
 
As regards the rationale behind going rawpalaeo, it's partly because we
take the general definition of what a paleolithic diet is more literally than
others.The general definition of a paleolithic diet is foods which are edible
raw, and which haven't been processed via technology. Since cooking by
fire/heat is a (rather  extreme) technological process , rawpalaeos believe
cooking should be avoided, especially since we ate raw for most of the
Palaeolithic era and before that, with just the tail-end of the Palaeolithic
consisting of cooked-palaeo diets, once cooked-food was introduced c.250,000
years ago. Also, we mainly go in for this diet for health-related reasons,
usually after having tried and failed with every other diet out there. 
 
One of the general points behind rawpalaeo is that enzymes(from raw foods) are
useful as regards digesting foods in the upper stomach(before being destroyed
further down), so that having enzymes in raw foods get destroyed once
temperatures start going above 40 degrees Celsius is a "bad thing".  
 
Another point viewed by rawpalaeos as harmful is the loss of nutrients caused
by cooking(the exception being primarily non-Palaeo foods such as grains, which
have antinutrients somewhat reduced, but which are, anyway, harmful, whether raw
or cooked). 
 
Rawpalaeos are also concerned re the high levels of toxins in cooked-foods such
as AGEs(advanced glycation end products)(linked to type 2  diabetes and many
other age-related diseases thus called "AGEs", Nitrosamines(NSAs),
Heterocyclic Amines(HCAs) found in cooked muscle-meats, and Polycyclic Aromatic
Hydrocarbons(PAHs), which are not only found in cooked-foods but are also,
incidentally, a well-known pollutant and byproduct of fuel-burning from coal-and
tar-pits:-
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycyclic_aromatic_hydrocarbon
 
See Raw Foodism page for a small fraction of the scientific papers detailing
the effects of such toxins:-
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_foodism#Potential_harmful_effects_of_cooked_foods
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_foodism
 
 
Rawpalaeos also are interested in the benefits of bacteria as they help the
body's digestive system in particular. The vast majority of rawpalaeos, as a
result, are believers in the Hygiene Hypothesis theory:-
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis
 
Rawpalaeos, other than having the usual palaeo disdain for grains, dairy and
legumes, however raw, also usually frown on the use of artificial
vitamin/mineral supplements. We also endeavour to get more "natural"
products re washing/cleaning given the harsh chemicals used in many common
products.
 
 
 
As regards the mention of smell, that depends on the individual person and
their hygiene levels. I'm sure that we have to be more careful than others,
given occasional practices such as eating "high-meat"(an Eskimo term
for aged, raw meat which they ate in quantity) but as long as we have a fridge
and maintain certain standards, it's not an issue(LOL).
 
Lastly, I should mention that this forum is really for the Paleolithic Diet in
general, whether raw or cooked. There are other forums and websites specifically
devoted to the raw version such as rawpaleoforum or rawpaleodiet.com.
 
Geoff
 
 
> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 23:21:46 -0800> From:
[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Christmas morning yummy-ness Re:
Roast beast> To: [log in to unmask]> > Ok, I don't get
it, lol.  This is the RAW PLACE, and I don't so much suscribe to all of
everything, but I listen and I learn, yes.  But I for sure cook meat til
it's just barely pink, and not according to "meat thermometers"
and all the other BS, lol.  Haven't died yet.  Am still alve to annoy and
contradict  you all,  hehe.  All joking aside, why do you all subscribe to raw
eating, but you worry about temp in meat???  I am NOT being rude, just trying to
understand.  > > shirley sommers wrote:> > The pork was slashed
every 1/4 in through the skin and into the meat so> it was started at 450
degrees just long enough to get the skin strips to start> curling up. Then it
was 250 degrees, uncovered and basted , till done. I> thought 165 was the
lowest you could go for food safety reasons?> > > 165 is the
recommended for pork, but beef can be 140 for rare IIRC.> Roasting pork at
145 would be venturing into unknown territory, might taste> odd.> >
William> > > > 
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