Hello, 

I've been following Cordain's recommendations for about a year now.
More so with his Athlete's book as I'm a competitive cyclist, and I've
had great success with it.

I have been following this email group for several months now... "long
time follower first time sender". 

I'm curious as to why so many people bash Cordain.  I understand where
one may disagree and I think it's great that everyone can simply agree
to disagree.

But to say..."That Cordain should be locked up".... I'm curious Ashley,
(and it's non of my business) what is your expertise in this area and
nutrition in general?   

I do not want to pick on the author, but Neanderthin was published when?
1996 or something like that.  (I have not read it as it's pretty
difficult to find)  Whatever one may say about Cordain and his ideas...
he does seem to back it up with pretty good and current research. yes
I'm sure there's plenty of research to say otherwise... Remember in Good
Calories Bad Calories how Taube talks about all the studies that caused
us to go down the wrong path, or at least a not as efficient path?  It's
good to realize that two different people can read the same studies and
come to two different conclusions is often the case.

I'm just curious if more people bash Cordian and Lean meats due to the
fact they like their steaks marbled?  And their salads wilted with bacon
grease.  It's common sense that the animals of the day didn't just graze
around like cows and pigs do today.  If anyone has ever eaten wild boar
it's nowhere near as fat as the bacon you see at Krogers, or if you've
ever ate a wild turkey... same thing.  I feel Cordain wants the fat
trimmed because of the society we live in today is different than back
then... animals had to run for their lives, etc... the food they ate
then is different than now, and that it's the nutritional content of
animals today versus the nutritional content of animals back then.

That's my thought..  Cordain's advice has done wonders for me, and he is
constantly out there promoting this diet, doing research, sending out
free newsletters, etc...

I really wish some of these people that bash him would state their
reasons for bashing him, his book is more current, his studies are more
current, etc..   Plus I would not bash Neanderthin as that author surely
knows more about what he's talking about than I ever could... it's not
my expertise.  

But that's my $0.02,  Ashley, hope you are not offended, as I was not
intentionally calling you out, it's just your phrase very well sums up
what appears to be several peoples opinions about Cordain..  I
personally think they are misguided, but in life there are more ways
than one to remove the epidermis layer of a feline.  Cordain versus
(insert favorite author here) is much the same way I feel.

Cordain has worked for me, so I'll side with him. 

(sorry in a rush, didn't check my spelling) 

Ron Stanevich, PE
District One, Design Engineer


-----Original Message-----
From: Paleolithic Eating Support List
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Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:12 AM
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Subject: Re: Newbie Question - Organ Meats

On Jul 31, 2008, at 2:31 am, Elizabeth Hawxhurst wrote:

> Ray does mention trimming meat in Neanderthin, BUT there is a  
> caveat.  The
> only place in the book where it mentions trimming fat is in the  
> chapter
> "Before Getting Started on Neanderthin" and there is a footnote on  
> page 79
> of my paperback that says that the discussion of fats in that  
> chapter is
> based on conversations with Dr. Cordain.  So it's really Cordain
> recommending that fat be trimmed and not Ray himself.  I wish Ray  
> hadn't
> included that bit with Cordain's ideas in it because it seems to run  
> so
> counter to the rest of the book and then gets misconstrued as being  
> Ray's idea.

Hi Elizabeth

Thanks, I feel sane again now :)

Personally, I think Cordain should be locked up for promoting people  
eat lean meat.  It is the single biggest mistake ever made in a paleo  
book!  God only knows how many people have experienced rabbit  
starvation trying to follow his recommendations and came to the  
conclusion paleo is wrong.

Cheers
Ashley