The difference between refined sugar and "sugar" in fruit is so extreme that I 

I thought it was only Dr. Atkins who spoke like that, and that it was just an 
exaggeration of his high protein diet for people who can't deal with fruit sugar 
very well, even Dr. Atkins suggested eat a little fruit and veg. There are 
graph's in Dr. Atkin's own books showing the huge difference between sugar 
from bread and sugar from spaghetti, nevermind fruit sugars!!!

That people actually believe they're similar and to have it here on paleo list, 
disguised as what paleo ate, is both extremely ignorant and, considering that 6 
year olds know more about it than you do, borderline insane. 

On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:04:03 -0600, steve <[log in to unmask]> 
wrote:

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup
>
>"Cane and beet sugar
>
>Cane sugar and beet sugar are both relatively pure sucrose. While the 
>glucose and fructose which are the two components of HFCS are 
>monosaccharides, sucrose is a disaccharide composed of glucose and 
>fructose linked together with a relatively weak glycosidic bond. A 
>molecule of sucrose (with a chemical formula of C12H22O11) can be broken 
>down into a molecule of glucose (C6H12O6) plus a molecule of fructose 
>(also C6H12O6 — an isomer of glucose) in a weakly acidic environment. 
>Sucrose is broken down during digestion into fructose and glucose 
>through hydrolysis by the enzyme sucrase, by which the body regulates 
>the rate of sucrose breakdown. Without this regulation mechanism, the 
>body has less control over the rate of sugar absorption into the 
>bloodstream.
>
>The fact that sucrose is composed of glucose and fructose units 
>chemically bonded complicates the comparison between cane sugar and 
>HFCS. Sucrose, glucose and fructose are unique, distinct molecules. 
>Sucrose is broken down into its constituent monosaccharides – namely, 
>fructose and glucose – in weakly acidic environments by a process called 
>inversion.[13] This same process occurs in the stomach and in the small 
>intestine during the digestion of sucrose into fructose and glucose. 
>People with sucrase deficiency cannot digest (break down) sucrose and 
>thus exhibit sucrose intolerance.[14]"
>
>Steve
>
>Andrea Hughett wrote:
>> While I am not fan of fructose or any other sugar, I question whether HFCS 
can be guilty of everything with which it is charged.  Sucrose is, I believe, half 
fructose and half glucose. HFCS is 55% fructose, 45% glucose.  Do I have 
those figures wrong, or does that extra 5% really make that much difference?
>> 
>> Andrea
>> 
>> --- On Wed, 7/1/09, steve <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>>> From: steve <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: Zero Carb
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 5:02 PM
>>> Robert Kesterson wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:41:34 -0500, Bill Wilcox <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> The worse part of high fructose corn syrup is the
>>> fructose, not the glucose.
>>>> Actually I think the worst thing about HFCS is that it
>>> is added to almost everything these days.  It is
>>> amazing to me how hard it is to find anything in the grocery
>>> store outside the produce and meat aisles that don't have
>>> added sugar, HFCS, or some other form of sugar.
>>>
>>> The US sugar industry lobbied congress to impose tariffs on
>>> imported sugar so US food manufactures converted to corn
>>> syrup many years back as a cheaper way to sweeten their
>>> products.  This is, in my opinion, part of the genesis
>>> of the obesity epidemic and has an impact on heart disease
>>> since fructose converts almost directly to trigs.
>>>
>>> I'm a free market person and don't believe in protecting
>>> domestic industries since it mis-allocates capitol resulting
>>> in decreased economic activity, decreased jobs, and
>>> increased prices for US consumers.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Steve - [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>> "The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you
>>> run out of Other People's Money." --Margaret Thatcher
>>>
>>> "Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American
>>> Patriotism"
>>>
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>> 
>> 
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>
>
>-- 
>
>Steve - [log in to unmask]
>
>"The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you
>run out of Other People's Money." --Margaret Thatcher
>
>"Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism"
>
>Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at
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