On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:18:10 -0400, Padraig Hogan <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

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>I suggest you read Man The Hunted and similar books which completely 
>overturn the idea of man hunting for meat, and stop getting your information 
>from people suffering from metabolic syndrome off the internet and off of 
>blogs. 
>

Padraig, I'll read Man the Hunted if you read The Paleolithic Societies of
Europe by Clive Gamble, in which extensive evidence is documented that
Paleolithic peoples hunted, butchered and ate aurochs, bison, horse, bear,
deer and other animals. I also recommend that you read about the problems
with a fruitarian diet at http://beyondveg.com/cat/fruit-dreams/index.shtml
and the benefits of a diet based on meat/fat/organs in the writings of
Vilhjalmur Stefansson.

Despite knowing that you likely won't read Gamble's book or much of the
other stuff, I bear no grudge against you, because I realized some time ago
that fruitarians, vegetarians, vegans, and near-vegetarians are my greatest
allies. Your and their eating of nutritionally deficient diets keeps the
prices of meats, fats and organs down so that I can afford to feast on the
foods I thrive best on. Your suffering ensures my salvation. I would like to
offer my thanks to you for that (granted, I do eat some fruits, greens, nuts
and such, so I would be more in your debt if you ate grains, legumes and
dairy, but I won't quibble).

As a matter of fact, I've recently learned that I do better on a diet even
lower in carbs and higher in meats & fats than I expected and have started
to post here again to share my success. I had been eating lots of Paleo
plant foods, including significant carbs, and a relatively lean diet (based
in part on the fact that I didn't digest some fats well or like their taste
or mouth feel). I had long suspected that wasn't optimal and I gradually
shifted to a lower-carb, higher-fat diet with increasing amounts of fat and
raw meat and have experienced remarkable improvements. 

Cutting out nightshades entirely proved quite beneficial. It was always a
questionable food category to me, but for a while I thought that at least
some of the nightshades were probably benign and maybe even healthy. Not
long after I experienced benefits from eliminating them, Dr. Cordain
reported research results that identifies nightshades as containing saponins
and other antinutrients that contribute to gut permeability and autoimmune
diseases like MS.

I tried vegetarianism and near-vegetarianism years ago and did not do well
on them. As for fruits, I find that if I eat too much fruit, especially
sugary fruits like dried fruits and fruit juices, I develop lots of dead
skin, placque, bleeding gums, etc., so a fruitarian diet is not for me, but
you're welcome to it.

>Wild men are savages, savages hunt for meat... tribes hunt for meat...
clearly ...

That's an ugly display of ethnocentrism toward traditional peoples on your
part. Re: that I recommend you read Ishmael by Daniel Quinn.

If you are one of the trolls that stop by this forum from time to time,
you'll find your efforts to be a complete waste of time. As far as I can
tell, none of the trolls has ever changed the mind of anyone here because
the Paleo Diet and variations on it have been have been working for us and
the trolls have been sorely lacking in evidence and good sense.