On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:41:51 -0400, matesz <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>Amadeus made a post recently in regard to Phillip Thrift's diet; I didn't
>save the post but I recall Amadeus saying ...
You can go to the archives
http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?A2=ind0006&L=paleofood&P=27054
to see my compilation of Phillip's items.
> ... saying that Thrift's daily diet (approx.
>3 1/2 lbs. lean poultry, beef and pork) contained 280 grams of fat.
> There
>must be an error in the food charts you are using. The charts I have
>consulted show that poultry breast contains 1 gram of fat per ounce. So, 1
>1/2 lbs. of chick. breast (24 oz). would contain 24 grams of fat.
That web food analyzer works on the UDSA Database.
The chicken.breast has 32g fat there and is IMO paleo-ok.
The sum was 220 g fat, 80g saturated.
Food 1-SPINACH-BLD-W/SALT (11854)-2:1 c
Food 2-CHICKBRST-NO SK-FRYD (05063)-1.5:1 lb
Food 3-PORKCTRRIB-BL-L+F-BR (10196)-1.5:1 lb
Food 4-BFRIBEYE-CH-LN-BRL-Z (13098)-1.5:1 lb
Nutri Food 1 Food 2 Food 3 Food 4
-----------+--------+--------+--------+--------
Calories 82.8 1272.32 1769.00 1530.87
Pro (g) 10.8 227.25 187.79 190.51
Fat (g) 1.08 31.98 107.50 79.61
satF (g) 0.14 8.78 39.39 32.18
>The lean steak noted (in Thrift's diet as well as my post on Laura's lean
>beef) indicated a fat content of about 4-4.5 grams of fat per 4-ounces of
>uncooked lean cuts of steak (that's 1-1.25 gram fat per oz.
Philipp just noted "(= 1.5 rib-eye 1.5 pork-loin 1.5 chicken breast)".
Not mentioned if he uses some "Laura" or extra lean portions.
As far as i know, rib-eye as well as pork loin are more the fatty pieces.
But to be fair, i used for one of the varieties the leaner version.
Food 3-PORKCTRRIB-BL-L+F-BR (10196)-1.5:1 lb
Food 4-BFRIBEYE-CH-LN-BRL-Z (13098)-1.5:1 lb
> I don't know the figures( by heart) for
>pork tenderloin since I rarely eat pork so I've not taken to memorizing
>it's nutritional profile, but I HIGHLY DOUBT that that would put Thrift's
>diet up
>to 280 grams of fat per day!!
Look above how it accumulates. Just try your own USDA query.
It's easy and you may, like me, invest the 5 minutes to take that look.
It's more reliable than learning by heart and estimating.
>To say that Thrift's diet contains a deadly amount of sat. fat and
>cholesterol does not sound accurate to me.
80 g of saturated fat per day are pretty much, even for the western
average. Saturated fats are identified as the culprits promoting some
deadly diseases. Exactely diseases which are a main killer among
modern "western" people. Namely cholesterol is raised by saturated fats ,
(and i did *not* even count the dietary cholesterol).
Cholesterol *in* the system causes CHD, the main killer.
Eating so much saturated fat is a slow suicide.
In my humble opinion.
And eating so much saturated fat is *far* from beeing paleolithic.
1. wild game animals are so low in fat (similar to chicken breast)
that a paleo anchestor will hardly ever have experienced such amounts of
animal fat - out of the arctis.
You will have "rabbit starving" without the grains converted to
cattle-fat. Or remain scavenging brains and marrow.
2. the human body seems to have evolved in a african savannah
w/o much animal fats.
Even if you assume northern influence: acrtic fats are different.
3. naturally grown wild game animals have -even in temperate regions-
a different composition of fats w-3 to w-6.
Boyd Eaton writes:
http://www.cast.uark.edu/local/icaes/conferences/wburg/posters/sboydeaton/ea
ton.htm
"Total fat intake, especially of serum-cholesterol-raising saturated and
trans fatty acids, must have been greatly
below current American and European levels; cholesterol intake would have
been minimal."
>By my estimation Thrift eats less fat than many vegans, vegetarians, and
>typical Americans and his diet appears to be free of processed
>(polyunsaturated, hydrogenated, and partially hydrogenated) oils which are
>the biggest threats to health.
Well, i may reach up to 50 or 80g of olive oil per day, 750kcal.
Plus nuts and sesame. This is high,I'm known as the fat devourer. But 220g?
It's fine and good if Philipp avoids frankenfats. And vegans not knowing
about them are in danger as are SAD people.
That doesn't lower the dangerous effect of saturated fats.
real paleolithic greetings
Amadeus S.
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