----- Original Message -----
From: "William Schnell"
> most honey producers lie about it being unheated.
> It seems that in order to accurately pour it in each container they put a
> light bulb or such under the vat. They don't consider this heating.

Superlatives ("most") bother me for the obvious reason that they tend to be
used with sweeping generalizations.  I can't speak for the practices of
"large" producers, but none of the small apiarists I know or have ever known
do this.  I don't see the connection you put forth about pouring accurately
requiring a bottom source of heat.

My dad kept hives in the 60's and 70's.  I'm probably as well-experienced
with home honey extraction as anyone on this list.  Used a long-bladed
carving knife to uncap the honey.  The frame containing the honey comb was
fitted into the extractor, which was hand-cranked and which spun
(centrifugal force) the the honey out of the comb.  The honey was
drained/jars filled from the extractor's spigot on the bottom.  Plain old
gravity flow.  Scales ensured the weight/volume of the jars.  The very same
type of equipment is still in use today by small producers, "small" being a
relative term because we would have a few hundred jars of honey.  Never
heated.  Neither is the local honey I buy from small producers.  I have a
hard time believing that truly raw honey is so hard to come by.  I grew up
in the city (Ft. Worth), though I live in the country now.   Almost any
small farmer's market type place will have jars of locally produced honey.
In all probability as raw as you want.

Theola