Wally Ballou wrote:
> Um... Sheryl...   I hate to tell you this, but anything under 100 grams
will put you on ketosis.  Not necessarily enough to register on the
"quick and dirty" urine test, but ketones in the bloodstream from the
reconversion of stored fat (and that IS "ketosis").  (OK, so I didn't
really hate telling you that...  :-)

Where do you get this?  References, please.  This goes against everything 
I've read.  Atkins' "Diet Revolution", for example, contradicts this very 
directly.  It would be easy to find other references--I've read it in many 
places.  Give me one reference for your statement.

By the way, I don't appreciate your tone.  Could you conduct this discussion 
more civilly?  I'd like to talk about these ideas, but I don't like your 
insulting style.

Sheryl wrote:
> As I recall, when you eat a VERY low carb (versus low carb) diet,
> you don't have adequate release of seritonin in the brain, and thus
> symptoms  and cravings can result.

Wally wrote:
> When you get your books, look up the term "gluconeogenesis," and then
chew on the fact that the body can do this with 58% of the protein you
consume, and even 10% of the fats...

I know that excessive protein intake will cause insulin to be released.  It's 
a question of how much.  The topic here is seritonin levels.

> And I am here to tell you that cravings can disappear ENTIRELY on a very
low carb diet.  This has been my personal experience, as well as the
experience of many other long-term successful lowcarbers.

And I'm here to tell you that your personal experience isn't generalizable to 
every human being on the planet.  It may not even be the majority experience. 
 Would that concept be a hard one for you to swallow?  My guess is it would 
be.

Sheryl wrote:
> Most people find it very difficult to stick to a very low carb (under
> 30 grams per day) diet.  It can cause a precipitous drop in blood
> pressure, constipation, lack of energy, and depression--not to mention 
> cravings that are coming from body wisdom (as opposed to addictive 
> cravings).

Wally wrote:
> Where the heck are you getting this nonsense?  

Where did you get your personality??  In any case, I have read this in many 
places, and also experienced it first hand--especially the constipation part. 
 Here's a reference for you: "Life Without Bread" by Wolfgang Lutz (a German 
gastroenterologist).  What are your references?

     - Sheryl