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Brother Habib,
 
Thanks.
As I mentioned, I have no problem with the choice of Makkah as the point of  
reference for the moon sightings. Infact, I think that it is something 
befitting  that should have been done long ago because it is a point of reference for 
 the Ummah.
The slaughtering en masse also makes sense because the pronouncement of  
Allah's (SWT) name is what matters there so no major departures from the  sunnah.
Loud speakers make sense as aids to better conveyance of what is being  said.
Therefore, opposition to these above mentioned items is a bit  fanatical.
However, when it comes to the actual sighting of the moon with the naked  
eye, that is the sunnah of the Prophet and even the Qu'ran mentions that.  
Deciding to depend on mathematical and astronomical calculations alone without  
seeing the actual moon crescent is another matter altogether. Innovation I  say.
We already know that in the lunar calendar we follow in Islam, some months  
are 30 days and some are 29, and the Prophet told us that during his  time. 
During Ramadan, actually sighting the moon is  what determines if we fast 29 days 
or 30 days.
I personally think that it is a dangerous departure.
Instead, what needed to be done was to have the Ummah World-wide defer to  
the Makkans whenever they inform us that the moon has been sighted over there  
with the naked eye and go with that as opposed to going with calculations. 
I remember that during the time that the late Serigne Modou Lamin Bah was  
imam of Banjul, if the moon was sighted in Makkah, he would make the decision to 
 go along with that schedule.
 
May Allah guide the Ummah to the straight path and protect us from  Bi'da.
May He inspire  and help us to keep our faith pure.
 
Please remember us, the rest of our compatriots and the Ummah in your  
prayers.
 
wassalaam,
Jabou
 
In a message dated 9/11/2007 10:46:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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Balal na  la Ahha
yes indeed sister jabou
for several months since jan 2007 all  the muslim scholars that are 
astronomers and mathematicians met with some  religious scholars in europe , south asia 
and in the usa plus experts from  Africa ( capetown and cairo)  to finalize 
this method

the key is  very simple and strategic  one location was selected and which 
city  better than mekkah
so when the new moon is born ( the know the exact time  to the seconds ) in 
mekkah area  alone before sunset then we start the  new lunar month the 
following day but when the new moon is born after  sunset  then the next day is the 
first day- reasoning is that since each  month is exactly 29.5 (and half day) 
so it means some months will be 30 days  and some 29 only
there is no half day  - so it makes sense and yes it  has been accepted by 
the scholars


remember when the microphone or  loud speakers fist came about abot 60 years 
ago many indo pak muslims also  refused to use them because it was not used in 
the time of the prophet (pbuh)  and not sunnah 
well with technonogy and science advances  Imams   now use these loudspeakers 
to give khutbas to big crowds of worshippers   so all can hear him deliver 
his speech. and there is no debate on this matter  any more with the cell phones 
and land lines -telephones have sms /ims ,  cameras and even videos now to 
almost mini computers 

we have the same  issues with mechanical slaughter of chickens versus hand 
slaughter  - now  machine slaughtered chickens are allowed as long as they are 
supervised  properly to avoid mistakes and the tasmiah is said by the muslim  
supervisors  during the process

a classic example used was that  during the prophets time people performed 
pilgrimage to mekkah on horses and  camels now we us airoplanes and cars and 
boats. 

best regards to y'all  in the south and have a blessed month of Ramadan
Hajj  Habib



> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:35:50 -0400> From:  [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: 
first ramadam to be on thursday> To:  [log in to unmask]> > Habib,> > 
Balal na la, balal ma  ahhah.> > Astronomical calculations instead of 
actually sighting the  moon? I have no issues with the rest of the Islamic World 
going along with the  Makkans sighting of the moon as the start and end of 
Ramadan, but is the new  standard of going with astronomical calculations sunnah?> > 
Jabou>  > > > -----Original Message-----> From: Habib Ghanim  
<[log in to unmask]>> To: [log in to unmask]> Sent: Tue,  11 Sep 2007 8:21 pm> 
Subject: Re: first ramadam to be on thursday> >  > > > > > > > > > Thanks sister 
Jabou > thank  God the whole universe this year starts on the same day ie 13 th 
sept and >  will celebrate eid on 13 th october 2007> from now on we will all 
noy look  for the new cresent moon as the new global > standard will use makkah 
as  the target for the whole world and now based on > astronomical and  
mathematical calculations only > we know when eid will fall for 5 years now  without 
complains ( except the > bangladashis and indo pakistanis)  inshallah this is 
a good move to unify the > ummah> > balal ma ahhah  > may we meet next years 
ramadan in good health inshallah> habib Diab  ghanim> > > > > Date: Tue, 11 
Sep 2007 20:01:34 -0400> From:  [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: > first ramadam to 
be on thursday> To:  [log in to unmask]> > Ramadaan > Mubarak.> May 
Allah  (SWT) accept our fasting and forgive us our sins.> > Jabou > Joh>  > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----> From:  SUNTOU TOURAY > 
<[log in to unmask]>> To:  [log in to unmask]> Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 > 1:19 pm>  
Subject: first ramadam to be on thursday> > > > > > >  > > > > the main > 
islamic news chanel in U.k announce that  ramadan will comence on > thursday the > 
13th of september.> i wish  every body a blessed ramadan. i am sure baba and 
some > sanyang kunda >  folks will be happy that we will wait for another day 
to start > the fast  .not > forgeting the darboe kunda crew .saloum,haruna and 
lj darboe >  .God bless ,guys.> suntou.> >  
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