Mr Saine,
        Thank you for the reply and let me tell you one thing here
ie:clarity in my writings and thinking made you get the clear picture,thus
you gave a clear reply.

Clarity in this debate is relative so yours may not be mine.I wasn't
muddying the waters but traversing a stream full of threatening fangs!

As far as your ultimate position is; not to say anything more on this topic.
Then i don't think its different from your original style.
The other part of the piece you sent to me via gambial shows that you will
engage me if i am clear "writing-wise" and "thinking-wise" well! well! look
at your sentence and see why i always call you DOCTOR or PROFESSOR !
The factor lies within the way your posting is presented to me.Unless i do
this or do that!you won't engage me,then thats no debate its a directive!

NB:But i the one who isn't clear here was identified by late Dr.Dixon Colley
within the midst of other students.
Hope you know what i mean?

So good bye until when i am "qualified" for you to engage me,because your
criteria doesn't suit yero.

"YEROMAMA PULORI GALO HAAWA BAROGEL N'DIMOU"
"Speak the speeches and let the speeches not spit you."



>From: YERO MAMA <[log in to unmask]>
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>Mr.You wrote "democracy in the gambia is a work in progress" I would
>reciprocate that latest lesson from you Mr.learned GUY by telling you that;
>So is "democracy in the world a work in progress".The democratic flaws and
>shortcomings within our geopolitical arena, are inter-continental!They are
>not Gambian!
>So any serious accademician,politician,OR ADVOCATOR!will have to JOIN THOSE
>WANT TO readjust the international trend and stop the "jabbering" TOWARDS
>AFRICAN LEADERS ALONE!
>We heard and do hear other valuable assets like James Jonnah et al and
>these DOCTORS! are yearning for an international approach.Unlike some of
>you
>who languish behind such "canalised" regionalistic and "vous" syndromes.
>Its been widely noticed that the so-CALLED DOCTORS AND PROFESSORS ON THE L
>pick and choose who to talk to! Is that what we expect from people who want
>to safe us?
>
>Unfortunately and to my surprise! Still some on this very forum who see
>themselves as super democrats have "cunningly" taken a u-TURN to say that
>the OLIVE BRANCH FROM JAMMEH ISN'T ENOUGH BECAUSE OF THIS AND THAT!
>Now what makes me wonder is,are any amongst those who say these things more
>reliable than jammeh? Have we ever had the opportunity to dissect the
>history of these people here? I mean their official or political
>participation towards the development of the Gambia that they are claiming
>to own? Its obvious that if such happens to be there will be much left to
>be
>desired.
>Lets not fool ourselves and start snobbing or refuting ideas from others
>because of self-IMPOSED arrogance!
>KATIM said that Jammeh is and was arrogant...This leaves me perplexed
>because arrogance is a word that suits the characters i see here more than
>any other individual on earth!
>I know that people like me have been classified and branded within your
>circles thus messages from our likes aren't sweet,therefore not to be
>replied(BEING THE USUAL TREND).This style and this approach my brothers is
>more of a sign of arrogance than any reationary attitude from any APRC or
>JAMMEH fan!
>
>Don't you think that sidelining people and snobbing those that you do not
>agree with politically, itself is not compartible with serious
>"intellectualism"? ALL THOSE WHO DO NOT sing THE SONG OF "WELL DONE
>DOCTORS!" are considered the bins to receive harsh words from your choir of
>gambial.
>MY PROBLEM WITH SUCH "KABUDU-INTELLECTUALISED-CAMPS" IS SIMPLY BASED ON
>PRINCIPLES PLEASE TRY AND RESPECT THE VIEWS OF OTHERS AND BROOD THROUGH
>REASONS AND NOT WISHES!
>
>Reply or not thats my take on your latest attempts!
>
>"YEROMAMA PULORI GALO HAAWA BAROGEL N'DIMOU"
>"Speak the speeches and let the speeches not spit you."
>
>
>
>>From: Abdoulaye Saine <[log in to unmask]>
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>>G-L Community:
>>
>>While some are disappointed in the outcome of the October, 2001
>>Presidential election, we must all take pride in the fact that the
>>election was "free and fair" and an improvement on the referendum over
>>the Constitution and the 1996 Presidential election.  More important,
>>Decree 89 was lifted, perhaps a little too late, but nonetheless,
>>LIFTED.  Access to the media by opposition political parties though not
>>equal, improved somewhat.  A Governance Conference was held, even if
>>some members of the opposition walked out.  Most of us advocated for a
>>United Opposition, three parties out of five opposition parties did. And
>>many donated, however little, to the party/candidate of their choice.
>>These are what many of us fought for (See the G-L Position Paper).  In
>>fact, careful analysis would suggest that Gambia-L played an important
>>role in ensuring a more level and open political terrain and atmosphere
>>.  ( I will write a longer research paper on this later).  AND WE HAVE A
>>LOT MORE TO DO!
>>
>>When we started to send petitions all over, about two years ago, many
>>felt that it may lead to nothing.  To the contrary, the petitions we
>>sent around the world(including The Gambia) and the responses we
>>received made a difference. Equally important, is that the APRC and /or
>>its representatives on the G-L listened and debated us.  We HAVE AN
>>AUDIENCE.
>>
>>The activities of the New York, UK based MRDG, in addition to other
>>organizations in D.C, North Carolina, Scandinavia, Germany etc., and
>>numerous petitions, demonstrations and writings by members of the G-L,
>>helped set the agenda for change, leading to the elections we just
>>witnessed.  In order words, combined international, domestic and G-L
>>pressure helped move the political process to where it is now.  In sum,
>>the political system has opened some, in part because of our activism
>>and its impact on civic education.  Today, Gambia's civil society is
>>perhaps stronger for it.
>>
>>NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO MOVE ON BUT TO STAY PUT AND STRUGGLE FOR MORE!
>>
>>The Gambia-L, rightly or wrongly has come to constitute, despite our
>>differences and occasional squabbles, a VOICE(s) that can not be IGNORED
>>or SILENCED.  All but two of the Presidential candidates addressed
>>various Gambian communities in the US and Europe and those who could not
>>sent representatives.
>>
>>  WE MUST REMAIN ENGAGED!  Many burning issues remain.  These include:
>>
>>* Release/ Amnesty of/ for all political prisoners;
>>* More Press Freedoms;
>>* Voting Rights Bill for Overseas Gambians;
>>* End to illegal arrests and emphasis on due process;
>>* Right of Return and Protection of all exiles(self-imposed or
>>otherwise);
>>* Deploy students for civic and community service;
>>* Return of all seized properties to their lawful owners, (if found
>>innocent of wrong doing);
>>              (These are just a few things that came to mind.)
>>
>>Democracy in The Gambia is a work in progress.  DO NOT MOVE ON.  REMAIN
>>ENGAGED.
>>
>>Abdoulaye
>>
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