Gentlemen,
Facts are facts, Kejau and I had our moments here that we disagree but I followed this thread and I know he didn't start the name calling. I haven't seen what he wrote to provoke Fye, that warrants calling him stupid and idiot. My concern is, if decency fails, to the point that we cannot disagree on issues like this without resulting to insults and treats then we have a lot of work to do to bring about the change we are calling for in Banjul. Just think about our actions now with power. We need to self develop first before we can develop our nation. I urge that we leave these personal and petty issues aside and be big boys and girls that can take criticism and be mature and considerate about our actions, for our actions will always create a reaction of some sort.
Khaleel
Sent from my iPhone
" Give to yourself as much as you give of yourself".
On Jul 6, 2013, at 10:31, "UDP United Kingdom" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Fye, you are a decent person. You have always shown respect to all
> here and you don't normally use words of that nature; 'stupid and
> idiot', but if you really have to use them, I think people will
> understand that you have been highly provoked and that it was not you
> who started it. My only advice is; makesure you always apologies to
> the readership afterwards. That make you a much better person.
>
> Thanks
> Daffeh
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> On 06/07/2013, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Fye,
>> OK, for the sake of arguments, how exactly does one realize his stupidity
>> towards others? You are constantly hyping about my stupidity and idiocy, how
>> exactly was I stupid and an idiot. Anyway, others and I will continue
>> ignoring you here because of this outburst. Find below what I wrote and
>> there is not a single thread of rudeness of insult in it. So it looks like
>> you are unnecessarily incensed or waiting for my to reply to any of your
>> numerous albeit ignored postings to bounced on me. I know where you live and
>> will take this up with you to tell exactly how I was stupid and idiotic
>> towards you as soon as I am near your area.
>> Kejau
>> My writing is as below:
>> Fye,
>> How exactly is Egypt and Turkey not a secular system? Secularism is
>> enshrined in their constitutions, yet you chose to call them Islamic! If the
>> Kristelig Folkeparti, the Norwegin Christian Democratic Party wins
>> elections, you may not say this. What exactly makes these parties Islamist.
>> The Refah Party, The Welfare Partisi of Turkey, has brought in more
>> democracy, the rule of law and unprecedented development and more peace with
>> the separatist PPK than ever before seen in the history of Turkey, yet you
>> want them out, just because the Christian West, want them out. As Dr. Malang
>> said, the people get the government they deserve! The Armed Forces in Egypt
>> chose to defend the illegitimate demonstrations instead of the legitimate
>> winners of the elections. History will judge them and as Pastor often
>> quipped, the consequences of their actions will be devastating for years to
>> come. The question lingering now is, they promised fresh elections, will
>> they disband the Muslim Brotherhood and if not will they continue to push
>> them out, whenever they win elections, which they will poise to do in the
>> near future. As Uncle Koro Sallah said, security is a very important arm of
>> our existence and we cannot afford to relegate them to the bottom. The US
>> government is being asked by its democratic and peace loving people to
>> consider their aid package to a military that fails its historic
>> responsibility and the actions the Obama government and the west takes will
>> have consequences for all us for years to come.
>> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 13:21:19 +0200
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms
>> To: [log in to unmask]
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>> Kejau..
>> Face the facts and realize your stupidity towards me ...So please do learn
>> your lessons and avoid me in future....Go find your types not me...
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>> Niamorkono...
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>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 12:01 AM, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
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>> Fye.
>> Please be civil and stop the indolence. At least Suntou and Khalleel agreed
>> with me and if I show your ignorance that's your business! Only idiots call
>> people idiots or stupid for pointing out their ignorance and bias! You can't
>> even spell well or put a coherent argument forward yet you chose to be rude.
>> It shows the kind of home training you got!
>> I am finish with this thread and you so from now you and your writings go to
>> the bin!
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>> Sent from Kejau's iPhone
>> On 5 Jul 2013, at 14:46, Fye Samateh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Kejau..Am not sure what u mean about civilize...Please be specific....This
>> is an open forum for debates that makes sense and i have been doing that for
>> years now..Of course you can disagree with me but not the rage and stupidity
>> you performed on matters you know less..So again you must be an idiot to
>> dismiss my opinion on events in Egypt...Who the HELL are you really ? Please
>> go ahead and enjoy your life...
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>> Niamorkono...
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>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Fye,
>> Do not worry, I only communicate with civilize people who write about issues
>> and not trading insults, so you wont see me reply to you ever again. If your
>> opinion sucks and people point that out to you, the civilize thing to do is
>> explain why you blatantly miss the obvious and not start invective like you
>> did. It only shows who you really are!
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>> Kejau
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>> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:48:07 +0200
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms
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>> To: [log in to unmask]
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>> Kejau
>> You better civilize yourself first before you can communicate with me in
>> future...I have no reasons to insult you but to make you see sense how to
>> interact with others....My opinion is mind only and i need no lectures from
>> you or anybody...
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>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 1:49 AM, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
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>> FyeI apologise for taking you as civilise and capable of communication
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>> Kejau.
>> Sent from Kejau's iPhone
>> On 4 Jul 2013, at 21:57, Fye Samateh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Kejau..
>> I know better Egypt and Turkey have secularism in their constitutions than
>> you and this is what their people wants not an Islamic dictatorship
>> period..So if you don't understand that in my message then you are really
>> very STUPID...Why are people demonstrating in these countries since the Arab
>> up-spring started ? These People want a better life and to maintain Islam as
>> their religion with respect to other religious communities among them...How
>> many Christians died in Egypt since Morsi came to power ? Remember
>> Christianity came to Egypt before Islam..
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>> Yes the Muslim brotherhood in both Egypt and Tunisia are strictly Islamic
>> parties and yes their people elected them but since they failed to deliver
>> people took to the streets again...Once again if you don't realize that then
>> you are an IDIOT...Get to the point and control your rage..The Christian
>> west has nothing to do what is happening in these countries and i will be
>> the first person to condemn them if that happens...So again you are making
>> nonsense ...
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>> Turkish Government has been doing great economically for years now but they
>> have a long way to improve the democratic principles for all their
>> citizens..Are you aware how many Turkish journalists and opposition members
>> are lingering in jails since this party came to power? Perhaps one of the
>> main reasons their refuse to join the EU... I think your international
>> awareness is very limited so you better know who you are talking to...
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>> Morsi himself admitted last night his mistakes and i am with the Egyptian
>> people to see him go....You better do the same or stuff your message...
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>> Fye,
>> How exactly is Egypt and Turkey not a secular system? Secularism is
>> enshrined in their constitutions, yet you chose to call them Islamic! If the
>> Kristelig Folkeparti, the Norwegin Christian Democratic Party wins
>> elections, you may not say this. What exactly makes these parties Islamist.
>> The Refah Party, The Welfare Partisi of Turkey, has brought in more
>> democracy, the rule of law and unprecedented development and more peace with
>> the separatist PPK than ever before seen in the history of Turkey, yet you
>> want them out, just because the Christian West, want them out.
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>> As Dr. Malang said, the people get the government they deserve! The Armed
>> Forces in Egypt chose to defend the illegitimate demonstrations instead of
>> the legitimate winners of the elections. History will judge them and as
>> Pastor often quipped, the consequences of their actions will be devastating
>> for years to come.
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>> The question lingering now is, they promised fresh elections, will they
>> disband the Muslim Brotherhood and if not will they continue to push them
>> out, whenever they win elections, which they will poise to do in the near
>> future.
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>> As Uncle Koro Sallah said, security is a very important arm of our existence
>> and we cannot afford to relegate them to the bottom. The US government is
>> being asked by its democratic and peace loving people to consider their aid
>> package to a military that fails its historic responsibility and the actions
>> the Obama government and the west takes will have consequences for all us
>> for years to come.
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>> Thanks,
>> Kejau
>> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:07:06 +0200
>> From: [log in to unmask]
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>> Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms
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>> Folks..Egyptian people wants a secular system with democratic values and
>> transparency not an Islamic dictatorship...So i support the army on this one
>> for getting rid of Morsi and hopefully the Islamist will not succeed in both
>> Turkey and Tunisia as well...I wish the interim team all the best of luck..
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>> Cousin Haruna, history doesn't bear witness to military relinquishing power
>> to the people... they get push out by another and another. . Etc.. we shall
>> witness this one too inha- Allah... happy 4th
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>> Great observation brother Khaleel, in the long run these military turns out
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>> rawlings in Ghana... he tested it first, stepped down and came back later...
>> same thing with Tumani Toure of Mali... It is simply dangerous to give the
>> military with guns so much power... They won't have any respect for the
>> civilian government and the civilian become a puppet of the military
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>> great thing I can compliment them on is that they didn't put a military
>> personnel as the head of the interim government but their statement is loud
>> and clear to anyone with the hopes and dreams of ruling Egypt. "We can and
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>> they can vote him out the next time around.. Where does it end is my
>> question? If you elect another leader and quarter of the country is not
>> happy, do you topple them as well? Where does it end? Citizens can engage in
>> activism but violence is intolerable and could be detrimental and turn the
>> country into bloodshed... So they accepted a military council after Mubarak,
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>> most of those protesters don't know any better... they were born and brought
>> up under dictatorship so all they know is force and others imposing on
>> them....Sidi Jatta was right when he said "the so called Arab spring is yet
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