Habib, lets hope come February 5th Powell delivers irrefutable evidence not
an "inferential" one or hearsay. Oh! Rumsfeld failed to realize that the
"old Europe" he ungraciously uttered include the Brits, their strongest
ally. You see the power the "Old Europe" is welding in convincing NATO not
to grant the U S their request
Daddy Sang


> [Original Message]
> From: Habib Ghanim <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 1/29/2003 1:32:07 PM
> Subject: Re: 'Human Shields' head for Iraq/Ousman
>
>
>
> Ousman
>
> Both you and sister Jabou have your minds made up so no matter waht
> anyone says your opinions will not be basically changed just
> qualified .
>
> I come to her defense not because I do not support getting rid of the
> jackass Saddam but for fear or the backlash and mass deaths that will
> hapeen to Iraqis , American and others in the area. Sdaly as we all
> know it was the USA who gave Saddam all the chemical weapons he
> either posseses or is hiding. His Uncle Sam helped him kill his own
> folks  but now the gun is facing the west and voila.
>
> I never have and never will support anything Saddam does. He was sick
> since childhood (as a teenager Saddam used to poison his neighbours
> animals -like sheep,goats,dogs or cats- and watch them die .this was
> his fun.
>
> What sister Jabou is trying to get across to you is that America is
> no saint either they have nuclear weapons ,commited torture , killed
> native Indians and overthrew so amny governments in Africa and the
> world so we must not be blind to that .
>
> Saddam must be contained or stopped but why all the BILLIONS  of
> dollars when our schoolkids do not have descent callsrooms (portables
> used  due to overcrowding) health care denied  to one third the US
> population, Budget cuts in everystate , prisoners released , not even
> to talk of the thousands of busineses failing on a daily basis and
> going abnkrupt . we need jobs not bombs.
>
> I truely believe that if Bush really wanted to get rid of Saddam he
> can do so by the old means a coup /or 007 type mission.
>
> That is my personal opinion . and as INEVITABLE war approaches let us
> pray that many innocent lives do not go down in vain. Let Bush show
> the world his proof and we will all support him 100 %.
>
> Good day
>
> Brother Habib
>
>   >From: Ousman Gajigo  >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues
> mailing list  >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re:
> 'Human Shields' head for Iraq/Ousman >Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:49:56
> -0800 > >Jabou, >So far, all your arguments presented here are
> recycled materials. I >have not >read anything original from your
> posts. You better raised some >original >arguments because accusing
> me of regurgitating arguments. >I have already made my arguments on
> all the points you raised in >this email >and I don't intend to
> repeat myself over and over again. >I look forward to our next
> exchange on another topic. > >Ousman > > > > > >>From: Jabou Joh
> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >> >>To:
> [log in to unmask] >>Subject: Re: 'Human Shields' head
> for Iraq/Ousman >>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:59:37 EST >> >>In a
> message dated 1/28/03 7:54:54 PM Central Standard Time,
> >>[log in to unmask] writes: >> >>On Scott Ritter you wrote: >>
> >> > Why story got leaked now is immaterial. A person with such
> >>screwed up >>morals >> > has neither decency nor credibility.
> Watching the guy evade >>those >>questions >> > on CNN erased all
> doubts. >> > >> > >>Ousman, >>Scott Ritter got his assignment to lead
> the last weapons >>inspections >>because of his professional
> qualifications and that has never been >>in >>question then nor is it
> now. His performance on the inspection team >>and his >>assesments
> have not be discarded to anyones' knowledge. Correct me >>on that
> >>one if I am wrong. >> Therefore, this story is immaterial to this
> issue at hand and it >>can only >>be >>material if one is grasping at
> straws to make a case that has yet >>to be >>made. >> >> >>You also
> wrote: >> >>"So many people have voiced opinions on this matter and
> the facts >>about all >>the >>pros and cons are well established. All
> I have tried to do is >>points to >>those arguments that is there for
> everyone to see." >> >>Ousman, you have done much more than that. You
> have even gone as >>far as to >>brand those who oppose the war
> anti-american and most of them are >>Americans. >> >>You wrote: >> >>
> "The truth is that these people are nothing more than a bunch of
> >>rabid >>anti-Americans. It seems like they would support any
> dictator, no >>matter >>how >>terrible he is, if only he is against
> America. And there is nothing >>noble >>about these people risking
> their lives in what they believe." >> >> >>Where in the World did you
> get the information to support such a >>statement, >>and why and how
> can you declare that people's actions for what they >>believe >>in is
> not noble? >>One of the cornerstones of the constitution of the
> United States >>ais the >>right to have freedom of expression and to
> have the leadeship >>answerable to >>the people. No one is deemed
> un-american for that, and infact, it >>si what >>strengthens this
> country. It is not like most of Africa where >>sadly, all >>one >>has
> to do is tag oneself onto a political leader, sign the chorus >>and
> be >>rewarded with small favours >> >>You also wrote: >> >>"Where
> were they when Saddam was bringinghardships on his people >>through
> >>his >>war with Iran, his initiation of the Gulf War and countless
> >>internal >>repressions?" >> >>Why did you not ask where the U.S was
> when Saddam was fighting >>Iran? They >>were busy helping him,
> supplying him with biological weapons and >>material >>to >>amass his
> arsenal of weapons and he was the good guy then. The >>evidence
> >>proves that the acquisition of these same biological weapons were
> >>facilitated by the U.S and they were aware of Saddam using them on
> >>the >>Iranians and the Kurds. The very same Iranians who Bush named
> as a >>part of >>the Axis of evil, and also the same Iranians whose
> victimization >>with >>biological weapons and nerve gas he is now
> using as some of the >>justification >>for attacking Iraq. >> >>It is
> always a good idea to educate oneself regarding facts before >>making
> >>statements. This one is too important an issue with far reaching
> >>ramifications and cannot be decided by regurgitating others
> >>people's >>unsubstantiated rhetoric. >> >>Bush has never wanted to
> work with the U.N to resolve this issue >>abd it si >>common
> knowledge that it si only opposition by the Allies of the >>U.S as
> >>well >>as presure from people like Colin Powell that forced him to
> go the >>the U.N >>to >>seek a new resolution on the Iraqi situation.
> >>No sooner was that done, and even before the inspectors gave an
> >>initial >>report; when Bush started taunting the U.N, questioning
> their >>validity as >>an >>effective international body and basically
> saying that their effort >>will >>fail. >>Further, he went to the
> senate and the house and got them to pass a >>resolution granting the
> mandate to wage war, and all this from a >>man who >>said >>he will
> give the U.N inspections a chance. >> >>The position of people like
> me who oppose a war is that the one >>and only >>thing that needs to
> be established is concrete evidence that Iraq >>posses >>and >>is
> still making and hiding weapons of mass destruction, and this
> >>evidence >>has >>to be put out for the World to see before our
> children face the >>possibility >>of being sent to fight a war.
> >>Also, that the United Nations inspections have to be given a chance
> >>to run >>it's course. >>if the whole exercise is a deterrent rather
> than an excuse to wage >>war. >> >>There are millions of people
> around the World and in this country >>who share >>the opinion that
> concrete proof has to be provided to justify this >>war, and >>there
> is nothing arbitrary about this point. On the other hand, >>there is
> a >>lot of recycled rehtoric, and none of it can take the place of
> >>hard facts. >> >>However, after Bush's state of the Union speech
> last night, and >>with the >>amassing of U.S troops in the gulf,
> along with wverything this >>administration >>has done sine they
> started beating the war drums, there is no doubt >>that >>they >>will
> find a way to attack Iraq and all the blood thirsty folks and >>their
> >>cheerleaders will soon have enouhg blood and guts splattered all
> >>over the >>Arabian peninsula to satify their lusts. >> >>Some of us
> in the World think there is always an alternative ot war >>and >>that
> >>those without sinister intentions can always pursue that course
> >>with far >>better results for the rest of humanity. >>I hope that
> you are a U.S citizen Ousman, and that if your country >>should
> >>call on you, you will enlist in the armed forces. >> >>Jabou Joh >>
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