Joe,
Thanks for being the fool I am, but I will continue to call Yaya a Jola
tribalist, armed thief, armed muderer, Tony Daabaa and Armuumin. If you take
it for all the Jolas, then the cap fits and you can wear it. Why are you
replying my mail from your G-post address and not G-l address? Did you
realise that I am not a member there? My brother stop this childish business
and get mature! You know, you have failed again with your wrong attacks, and
cannot proof the lies you said here. Keep trying! Your Jola complexity
sickness cannot be cured. Be rest assured that I am a 100 % stable person.
Elhajj.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Cc: <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!
> I see I'm dealing with a fool here. Is Yaya being a tribalist my issue
> with you? If that is what you think my beef is, then, I rest my case,
> because you are beyond help.
>
> Chi Jaama
>
> Joe Sambou
>
> > Joe,
> > This is an absolute rubbish! I will not waste my time on this nonsence
> > exchange. You are rushing again to judgement just as usual. Do you know
> > that I am not a member at the G-post? Where did Ebou send this mail? I
> > think I should ask you whether you are well ? Stop your speculations
> > and leave people with their views.
> > I, for one, will never change my stance of calling Yaya a tribalist, if
> > this is hurting you. You can say whatever you want.
> >
> > Elhajj.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 6:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!
> >
> >
> >> You see, this is what I thought was going on and you just confirmed
> >> it. Elhajj, you really cannot separate Yaya the Jola and Jolas as a
> >> group. To you, Yaya is a Jola, therefore, all Jolas are culpable for
> >> everything he does. What nonsense! While you are at it, why don't
> >> you say that I am in touch with Yaya privately and I'm an informant.
> >> This is the sort of nonsense you will not sneak in here - tribalism.
> >>
> >> "You mention in one of your mails that Tombong said, the people
> >> shouting
> > on
> >> the G-L and the G-post are the followers of the Yaya sycophants. COULD
> >> YOU AND TOMBONG POINT YOUR FINGERS
> >> TO WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE ?"
> >>
> >> Since you brought this foreign subject up in this discussion, may be
> >> you
> > are
> >> one of those people and if the cap fits wear it.
> >>
> >> "Joe, you last went to Gambia in the year 2000, and you had no problem
> > with
> >> the Yaya government. As you said in your Tam Tam interview, you are
> >> always in touch with Gambia and
> >> you know everything happening on the ground. I think we have a
> >> different case."
> >>
> >> Elhajj, why don't you speak on something you know? How the hell is
> > someone
> >> in the US going to be in tune with what happens on the ground if you
> >> do
> > not
> >> talk to those that can give you info., on the ground. So, I should
> >> get
> > that
> >> info., from Sweden? How does Ebrima Ceesay give us info. on the
> >> ground
> > from
> >> the UK? Elhajj, are you well?
> >>
> >> "Joe, I agree with you that Yaya is surrounded by other tribes. But
> >> could you kindly tell us who are controlling the army ( carrying arms
> >> everyday ) and all the other security positions? Maybe you have some
> >> information
> > about
> >> that, more than the soldiers who were with them."
> >>
> >> Elhajj, if the Jolas are heading the Army, which I agree with,
> >> however,
> > they
> >> are not even a tenth in the Army, and Yaya is still in power, don't
> >> common sense tell you that the Leaders in the army and the rest are
> >> what is
> > keeping
> >> Yaya in power? Are you that naive? The last time I checked,
> >> Mandingoes
> > are
> >> the majority in the army, why do you think Yaya is still in power, 10
> > years
> >> and counting, Sherlock? Again, common sense should tell you that
> > sycophancy
> >> and self interest in all aspects of Gambian life is what is keeping
> >> Jammeh in power, the army included. Yours and mine in the army are?
> >> Elhajj, I
> > do
> >> not speak of Gambians in terms of their ethnicity and your silly
> >> comments are not going to make me start. What I can guarantee you is
> >> that I shall challenge any of you that want to use the ethnicity card
> >> to polarize Gambians. Yaya is a tribalist, but you are not that far
> >> from him with
> > your
> >> views. Yaya will Kill Elhajj because he is Serrer and spare Joe
> >> because
> > he
> >> is Jola. Are you on crack?
> >>
> >> Remember, not too long ago, you were in bed with Ebou Jallow when he
> >> was Yaya's Jali, how did that happen? You were in bed with a known
> >> thief and liar and was willing to defend him at all cost, now you
> >> going to come here and trip about being the "Most Wanted" by Yaya.
> >> Did you say zilch when
> > Ebou
> >> begged Yaya for mercy and his campaign on behalf of Yaya subsequently,
> >> barely a year ago? Where were you with your anti Yaya stance, then?
> >> You'll embarked on religious hypocrisy and made so much noise blessing
> > each
> >> other right here. However, where were you when Ebou was all over
> >> Islam
> > and
> >> Mohammed? Again hypocrisy and inconsistency. Just in case you slide
> >> into selective amnesia, were you not the same fellow that brought up
> >> the issue
> > of
> >> the first republic any time someone said anything about Yaya, not too
> >> long ago? You remember when myself and Yus were on your case then?
> >> Rest assured, this tribalism nonsense of yours will be dealt with
> >> anytime you
> > or
> >> anyone try to use it to polarize Gambians. That you can take to the
> >> bank.
> >>
> >> Chi Jaama
> >>
> >> Joe Sambou
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >> >Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!
> >> >Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:22:12 +0200
> >> >
> >> >Joe,
> >> >I, for one, have NEVER changed my stance of calling Yaya a tribalist,
> > armed
> >> >thief, armed murderer, Tony Daaba and Armuumin. I stand firm by what
> >> >I am writing,
> >> >and saying in all the midia houses. You mention in one of your mails
> >> >that Tombong said, the people shouting on the G-L and the G-post are
> >> >the followers of the Yaya sycophants. COULD YOU AND TOMBONG POINT
> >> >YOUR
> > FINGERS
> >> >TO WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE ? I care less about what these sycophants
> >> >are having, and be rest assured that another government will recover
> > every
> >> >single butut they stole from the Gambian people. Joe, you last went
> >> >to Gambia in the year 2000, and you had no problem with the Yaya
> >> >government. As
> >> >you said in your Tam Tam interview, you are always intouch with
> >> >Gambia
> > and
> >> >you know everything happening on the ground. I think we have a
> >> >different case. Yaya will not hesitate to murder me, if I step my
> >> >foot in Gambia. I left Gambia in 1994 after I was harassed and my
> >> >passport seized, and I
> > have
> >> >never returned there again. I passed through the airport without a
> > passport
> >> >returning back to Sweden with the last SPIES flight in 1994, and I
> >> >really have no information about what is going on on the ground. So
> >> >pls., both
> > you
> >> >and Tombong should tell us who the sycophants followers are, rather
> >> >than using ironical words on the G-L and G-P. I will never associate
> >> >myself
> > with
> >> >these people, who are having Gambian blood on their hands. The ghosts
> >> >of our
> >> >innocent brothers and children are hunting them both day and night,
> >> >so these
> >> >people have their own problems with no end of sleepless nights. I
> >> >care
> > much
> >> >about my pride and not the worldly goods, which all of us will leave
> >> >behind.
> >> >Even their boss Tony Daabaa does not have that blessing for me to
> >> >follow him, to get some of his stolen wealth. Joe, I agree with you
> >> >that Yaya
> > is
> >> >surrounded by other tribes. But could you kindly tell us who are
> >> >controlling
> >> >the army ( carrying arms everyday ) and all the other security
> >> >positions? Maybe you have some information about that, more than the
> >> >soldiers who
> > were
> >> >with them.
> >> >
> >> >Elhajj.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:49 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Binneh, thanks for your response. We both agree that Yaya is a
> >> >tribalist
> >> > > and would use anyone to that end. However, unlike Rwanda, the
> > majority
> >> >that
> >> > > are doing Yaya's dirty work are the sycophants that run the whole
> > ethnic
> >> > > spectrum, thus my mention of Mandinka, Wolof, and Fula, etc., not
> >> > > just Mandinka alone. I care less what Yaya's ethnicity is, just
> >> > > like I
> > care
> >> >less
> >> > > what religion he is. I am not constrained by tribe, religion,
> >> >friendship,
> >> > > bloodlines or any of those baseless leanings, thus, I'm surprised
> >> > > by
> > the
> >> > > insinuation. I also never mentioned a RED anything in my
> >> > > response, so
> > I
> >> >do
> >> > > not know why the reference in your response. When you said:
> >> > >
> >> > > "Majority versus minority feelings feelings that are being
> >> > > provoked by
> >> >one
> >> > > leader and HIS FOLLOWERS for political and selfish reasons."
> >> > >
> >> > > Who are the followers, ARPC or Jolas? I say the followers are
> >> > > APRC,
> > and
> >> > > they run the entire ethnic spectrum. Please correct me if I'm
> > mistaken.
> >> > >
> >> > > "The nocturnal dances that Yahya organizes at his village every
> >> > > day
> > have
> >> >an
> >> > > underlying ethnocentric meaning. He projects those dances on
> >> > > national
> > TV
> >> > > while other tribes are watching with anger.Journalists are obliged
> >> > > to concentrate on projecting the traditional displays of one
> >> > > tribe(being
> >> >his)
> >> > > on national TV."
> >> > >
> >> > > We agree on what Yaya does above. However, I'm also saying that
> >> > > the
> >> >other
> >> > > tribes that you say are watching are the APRC folks that includes
> > Jolas.
> >> > > Again, it is not ethnicity but the sycophancy of all around him.
> > Please
> >> > > correct me if I am mistaken.
> >> > >
> >> > > "These tribes men use machetes,knives and other things to show
> >> > > other
> >> >tribes
> >> > > that they are spiritually powerful and that is appealing which is
> >> >fuelling
> >> > > hidden reactions within other circles back home."
> >> > >
> >> > > Now, we are not talking about Yaya here, but a group. Am I right
> >> > > in
> >> >that
> >> > > assumption?
> >> > >
> >> > > "Why doesn't Yahya invite other tribes and ethnic groups to
> >> > > display
> > and
> >> >then
> >> > > he sells that to the outside world as one Gambia?"
> >> > >
> >> > > Again, we agree that Yaya is a tribalist.
> >> > >
> >> > > "Within Yahya's own ethnic group there are people who he sees as
> >> >inferior
> >> > > because his own immedaitely family geneology are better when it
> >> > > comes
> > to
> >> > > such magical powers.Yahya's myopic ethno! centric and
> >> > > paternalistic
> >> >feelings
> >> > > are meant to provoke an ethnic conflict."
> >> > >
> >> > > Yes, I agree with your first sentence, that Yaya is a tribalist.
> >> >However,
> >> >I
> >> > > do not see the link in your second, because the sycophants that
> > surround
> >> >him
> >> > > are not only Jola, but across all ethnic groups. So, who is going
> >> > > to conduct the ethnic cleansing for him? I suppose not FJC et al,
> >> > > for
> > they
> >> > > control what goes on in that country.
> >> > >
> >> > > Minteh, please understand that there is Yaya as an individual and
> >> > > a
> >> >Jola,
> >> > > and there are innocent Jolas that are anti what Yaya stands for,
> >> > > just
> >> >like
> >> > > you. What I will challenge is the use of Yaya as a Jola to make
> >> >spillover
> >> > > statements that will unduly characterize other Jolas and I would
> >> > > have reacted if the same was said about any ethnic group. Like I
> >> > > told
> > Elhajj
> >> >a
> >> > > while back, there is a difference between discussing Yaya's
> >> > > tribalism
> >> >and
> >> > > making tribalistic statements. The former is the description of
> >> > > the behavior of an individual and the latter is the smearing of a
> >> > > whole
> >> >group
> >> > > wrongly. The sycophants that do the damage in Gambia is what is
> >> >bringing
> >> > > Gambia down and not Yaya's ethnicity, even though Yaya is a
> >> > > tribalist.
> >> >The
> >> > > only way you can have ethnic cleansing is when the entire
> >> > > leadership
> > is
> >> >from
> >> > > a homogeneous group. Can you say that about Gambia and those
> >> > > around
> >> >Yaya?
> >> > > I also do not think of Gambians in terms of ethnicity and would
> >> >challenge
> >> > > any regardless ethnicity, religion, friendship, or blood lines if
> >> > > I
> >> >disagree
> >> > > with their position. Mine was not to critisize you but to argue
> >> > > that
> > it
> >> >is
> >> > > sycophancy that is destroying us and not Yaya's stupid tribalism,
> >> > > thus
> >> >my
> >> > > examples of who is around him.
> >> > >
> >> > > I also think we have more in common in getting Yaya and the APRC
> >> > > out
> > and
> >> > > that, you can take to the bank.
> >> > >
> >> > > Chi Jaama
> >> > >
> >> > > Joe Sambou
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >From: Binneh S Minteh <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >> > > ><[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > > >Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!
> >> > > >Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:34:52 -0500
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >From: Binneh S Minteh <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >> > > ><[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > > >Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!
> >> > > >Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:34:52 -0500
> >> > > >
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