My friend Karim,
 
I agree wholeheartedly with your plea for UDP/NRP to acknowledge the value  
of Foroyaa and PDOIS and guide negotiations in earnest toward a sane communion. 
 I also encourage PDOIS to recognize the scope and fashion of their value and 
 that of Foroyaa in the scheme of Gambia's life and fortunes. A sincere and 
well  thought-out communion that is premised on augmentation of values.
 
Thank you sir and may God/Allah bless you.
 
Your friend and brother, Haruna.
 
 
In a message dated 1/24/2008 4:31:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
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Haruna
My global outlook is neoliberal. I don't subscribe to  socialism but I 
embrace social justice and equality in humanist perspectives.  But with Gambian 
predicament PDOIS is a key player and for the way forward  Ousanoiu and Hamat has 
protagonist in Gambian political scenery should liase  and have a dialogue. 
They are active voice for social enligtment. I belief in  liberal democracy and 
enhance active voice for democracy. In a country of our  birth the mass media 
is none functional and the active voice in the media for  authorative voice of 
the oppressive is Foroyya. It with be a lot of dishonesty  without given the 
medium the acknowledgement for a job well  done.

Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
My  good friend Pa Pierre,

I know you're a good and innocent man but I did  not know you will wear the 
PDOIS heart on your sleeve. I want you to take  a deep breath and let your 
mind 
wander a bit. I know that is anathema to  PDOIS dogma, but just try it. 
Please. I think you have too terribly  insulated your imagination and 
creativity to 
a point that like PDOIS, you  fail to grow with nature.

"Dear Haruna, I have stated in the past that  you belong to fine calibre of 
inellectuals. A trait that stands out among  your other attributes is how you 
employ the Socrates techniques of using  opponents statements to shackle them 
intellectually. I do not wish to pick  a debate with you; Needless to say, do 
not bother to shackle me."  PP

Thank you Pa Pierre, you're too kind. You belong to your own unique  calibre 
of intellectuals too you know. We only diffre in calibres and  circumstance 
but intellectual nonetheless. I appreciate the kind words and  I promise you 
my 
engagements with you can only be civil. Because you have  demonstrated 
immense 
restraint even though I may have caused you enormous  pain by seeming not to 
like PDOIS or Halifa, or Sam, or Sidia. I think  that's a big stretch but 
I'll 
pretend you're right. I don't know about  PDOIS, but the gentlemen can 
discern if I dislike them or not.

"I  have a few observasions and objections to unfold on your table. PDOIS, or 
 
Halifa, Sam and Sedia, are not wolfs in sheep clothings." PP.

Pa  Pierre, what brings you to such query? I agree with you that these fine  
and handsome gentlemen are indeed genuine and sincere to the core of their  
souls. They are and have always been generous also. So I wonder why you  
bring 
yourself to consider "are not wolves in sheep's clothing"?  

"They are not angels chanting satanic pranks either." PP

OK.  From the two statements I believe you share with us that they are 
humans,  you just can't qualify their characters. Fair enough.

"They are men  like you and i. Men who deliberately chose to lead a livestyle 
less  confortable than i guess yours and mine." PP

I would be more  comfortable if you were to speak for yourself Pa Pierre. The 
reason is  because I don't compare very well to others.

"In view of this you may  use your own yardstick to determind where u want to 
place them."  PP

I see where the problem lies. You probably think I am trying to  place 
Halifa, Sam, and Sidia somewhere. I was not, and I am not. I am  looking at 
the trio 
through the prism of PDOIS, what they wish to offer me  and my fellow 
citizens. That's all. I couldn't care less where they are  placed besides 
PDOIS.

"In Gambia, i had the rare opportunity to  interact with many personalities 
of high esteem, but almost in all cases,  i come out of the experience with a 
disappointing impressions. Every  department i walk into, welcomes me with 
that 
ugly vice of corruption.  Nawec, Gptc, Gamworks, Customs, portauthority, 
Gcaa, Gamtel, Police, etc."  PP

Did you agree to be welcomed by their enticements??? That is the  question.

"All the places i names, i can mention an incident of  corruption i was 
forced to be part of or some how know about it by virture  of my position at 
the 
time in question." PP

Wait a minute. How do  folk force you into incidents of corruption Pa Pierre? 
I don't get it. You  see, and being a man of the cloth as you are may agree 
with me, One is  corrupt only to the extent of his or her pre-disposition. 
Think about it a  little bit Pa Pierre. I do not believe you when you tell me 
you 
were ever  forced into corruption or had to live with it even if your life 
hung in  the balance. That is why I cautioned you that I don't compare well 
with  
men in your sample.

"On the other hand, what i saw when i walk into  PDOIS political Bereau is 
humanity at its best." PP.

Pa Pierre, Pa  Pierre, Pa Pierre. There you go too. Just like Father Mose. So 
you were  forced into corruption and looked the other way when your fellow 
citizens  corrupted themselves. You did not go to Church or the mosque to 
seek  
salvation and forgiveness and you did not ask those you defrauded to  forgive 
you, but you seek refuge at PDOIS' politburo. What do you think is  wrong 
with 
that picture father????? For one, I think the Lord advises that  we may not 
seek nor may be receive salvation from the good that others do  or from their 
salvations. He, the Lord, most merciful, will save us when  we seek it from 
him 
on condition that we repent and train on due-diligence  and circumspect from 
thence onward. Pray tell, why do you compare your  experiences at the PDOIS 
politburo to an experience you helped create and  propagate? Do you not know 
that 
if you pluck Sidia, Sam, or Halifa out of  the politburo and place them in 
the "compromising" situations you had been  under when you were corrupted 
under 
duress, that the trio will have to  rely on their own characters and 
pre-dispositions to counter the  temptations you yielded to??? What I share 
with you my 
good brother, is  that when you compare an organisation of several 
individuals (PDOIS  politburo is actually more than Halifa, Sam, and Sidia, 
why you 
honed in  on those three is bewildering) to just you, you have already 
self-imposed  a disadvantage which when considered in relation to your 
questionable  
stamina, may lead to a victim and saviour pre-disposition. This was done  
just 
before your first step into the politburo. What it did to you for  eternity, 
was 
that it relieved you of your own responsibility toward your  fellow citizen 
and 
the Lord, and it supplanted your belief in your own  possibilities and 
potential with the potential and possibilities of a  larger group of your 
fellow 
citizens and so you wouldn't have to worry  about personal accountabilities 
and 
such. This is very fundamental and I  encourage you to think of it a bit 
further.

"their Dedication,  Devotion and Determination to Duty is second to none in 
the entire  Gambia." PP

These are the pronouncements it leads you to make. Here,  you share your 
impressions of the Politburo, Halifa, Sam, and Sidia, in  relation to your 
singular failures, and unawares, place the onus of  accountability on the 
shoulders 
of these good people. That is exactly why  you have the mirage in your mind, 
that Haruna does not like Halifa, Sam,  or Sidia. Lets not get overly 
sentimental here. I happen to have higher  admiration for Halifa, Sam, and 
Sidia, than 
you may ever conjure much less  have for these individuals. The difference is 
that I don't place the  burdens of my personal ware on the shoulders of these 
fellow citizens even  though they are willing and able to shoulder those 
burdens for me. You  see, what I think is that people who look to these three 
people 
for  salvation are themselves suspect and listless. It is highly unfair to  
Halifa, Sam, and Sidia.

"If every Gambian sense of responsibility  is close to what i see at the 
PDOIS political Bereau," PP.

I dare  say Pa Pierre that you have a limited scope of Gambian experiences. 
What  you saw at the Politburo was less than 1% of Gambians. You must believe 
 
that had you experienced many more Gambians, you may appreciate them  better. 
And try to divorce your personal shortcomings from your  expectations of them.

"we would have made a superb achievement of our  goals as a nation." PP

This is non-sequitur. The politburo works  everyday to achieve her goals. If 
Pa Pierre also works everyday to achieve  his goals, and were those goals 
national in theme and affect, then your  statement immediately above will be 
good. 
For now it is non-sequitur and  inconsequential as to Gambia.

"While i was in High school, we would  converge in serrekunda for private 
studies with Sam Sarr of PDOIS. I would  normally go to this class with my 
Maths 
problems and i have never paid a  dime for this bi-weekly classes. Other 
students come with chemistry  problems, others Physics and Sam was amaising 
during 
those encounters. He  walks into the class empty handed and it was just 
amaising how he was  solving problems he has not had time to rehease. Halifa, 
i bet 
you my  brother, you probably do not want me to go through what u and i 
already  
know. Sidia, with whom i had little or no interaction, except to say the  
Arabic version of Foroyaa newspaper published in the 90s was probably his  
translations. I was buying the arabic version regularly for my Mandinka  
neighbor." 
PP.

I am pleased you recognized Sam to be intelligent  and generous. I had known 
that sooner than you. You guys like telling  these mushy stories Pa Pierre. 
Do 
you not think that because you had  pre-conditioned your mind to seek 
salvation in the politburo, that these  personal experiences take on more 
spiritual 
and ecumenical  fervour??

"Haruna, when u try to draw a parallel between respect for  personalities of 
PDOIS and the votes they gain at election as your bases  of condemning 
Halifa, 
then it will be tantamount to employing the mockery  tactic used by one of 
the 
robbers on the cross with Jesus Christ;"  PP.

Wait just a minute Pa Pierre. With all due respect I think you are  
mis-informed here. I want to remind you that I had shared John Edwards'  
value with my 
coleagues here, and out of left field comes Jengfann telling  me that the 4% 
John polled in Nevada would mean that his coffin is nailed  shut. So I shared 
that for Jengfann, a PDOIS diehard, a party which polls  significantly less 
than 4% in Gambia National elections and even local  county elections, to be 
disdainful of John Edwards, an honourable  gentleman dispised for his 
strength to 
tell the truth and stick with it  regardless of fame or fortune, a character 
trait that PDOIS itself  preaches to you people if you'll ever listen to what 
PDOIS is sharing with  you, to proclaim the death of John Edwards from that 
4% 
gain in Nevada,  which John is proud and appreciative of, means that you 
PDOIS 
diehards  either do not understand what PDOIS really stands for, shares with 
you and  your fellow citizens, or that you are patently dishonest and you are 
in  PDOIS for your selfish interests. Halifa, Sam, and Sidia, do not have  
anything to do with your malcomprehensions and your ulterior motives. The  
only 
thing is that you will not help PDOIS as party this way. You will  only keep 
worshipping men who do not wish for your worship, and PDOIS as a  party will 
never be able to grow, overburdened by such considerations.  Jesus has 
nothing to 
do with this, and leave the man outta  this.

"That if jesus was really the son of God why does he had to share  the same 
fate as they the robbers." PP

Pa Pierre ifanang ikebaayata  nying yele. Just like Suntou, I don't think you 
ought to be proseletising  here. Do I look like I care if Jesus was the son 
of God or not? That is  only for Jesus and God's consideration. All I know is 
I, Haruna, am a son  of God. Just like many of my fellow humans and citizens 
are children of  God. It is what you do that qualifies your life than mere 
love 
of your  father.

"That is a fallacy which challenges the notion that; if PDOIS  was a fine 
calibre of Men the onus is on it to attract a large following."  PP

No Pa Pierre, you got it upside down, inside out. After Suntou  shared with 
us that the people of Wulli practically worship the ground  that the 
Afro-toting-wing of PDOIS walks on, The question became, "Might  PDOIS not 
therefore do 
better in the polls when the apostles share a more  common message"? You are 
straying too far into Jesus to appreciate PDOIS  Pa Pierre. I encourage you 
to 
expand your horizon to better receive PDOIS'  message.

"How can we blame God for making hell gate larger then Heaven  gate." PP.

Just to play along with you Pa Pierrre, who told you Hell's  gate is larger 
than that of the heavens?

"In short, God is good,  but it is our responsibility to draw close to god by 
fulfilling his  commandments and not the other way round." PP.

You are very funny. Just  like Suntou. You know the truth and you come to it 
after each tour in  fanciful cavortin, but then you stray from it again at 
the 
beginning of  each tour out.

"Pdois has demonstrated with their little resources that  they are good It is 
therefore our responsibility to vote for them and not  their responsibility 
sir." PP.

What????? Pa Pierre come on men. I  would think that if PDOIS has 
demonstrated to you that they are good with  their little resources, you 
ought to give 
more resources. You know they  send out pleas to their congregation for more 
resources. I hope you afford  them more resources so they can continue to be 
and 
do more good. Why does  that translate into a responsibility for other to 
vote 
them into office.  Are you not concerned that PDOIS will leave a vacuum in 
Good-doing when  they now lead a nation? Besides, I think you benefitted from 
PDOIS  politburo good that is the only reason why you owe an obligation to 
them  
so more people can benefit from their good. I like the Catholic Relief  
Service's work and the Jammeh Foundation's work, but you don't see me  
placing a 
responsibility on myself to vote them into leadership office. I  use their 
good-doing as inspiration to do good also. That is what they  love more than 
votes. 
You get it Pa Pierre. The Politburo has a  fundamental discernment question 
to 
answer. Will we continue to do good  selfless work as a charity or should we 
requisition votes for PDOIS in  exchange for our good-doing????????????????? 
That is the existential  question. Pa Pierre, I don't wanna hear any u' this 
nonesense about good  quid for vote quos. You remmember you shared that you 
were 
forced to be  corrupt once. Well now everybody knows PDOIS is not forcing you 
to do  anything. I'm just saying.

"I know you will be surprise that i had all  this to say today." PP.

No Pa Pierre, I wasn't surprised. I knew it all  along. ANd I can see you 
coming 10 miles away. Besides, it wasn't much you  said. It just looked like 
it 
for the Jesus and church stories and your  experience at the politburo.

"I am using this opportunity to respond to  several of your previous postings 
which have been consistent in their  condemnation of Halifa and PDOIS." PP.

I recognised that. The only  thing is the comprehension of those posts is 
deficient. And you offer no  context. Dishonest. For example, you could at 
least 
share one post where I  condemned either PDOIS or Halifa, or both. That will 
have been more  interesting.

Pa Pierre, don't disappoint me and our other coleagues  here. I thought you 
were diligent and reasonable. Don't give me doubts.  Just let me love you 
men. 
Don't mess it up men.

A tout a l'heure.  Haroun. Al Khairawan. MQJDT. Darbo




was available at most of  our symposia making magnificant presenta
--- [log in to unmask]  wrote:

From: Haruna Darbo 
To:  [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Halifa Sallah is a handsome man  /
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:34:00 EST


My friend Bailo, good to  hear you again. But how come all you Obama heads 
got your heads buried in  cloud-cuchoo sand?? And you seem so intelligent!!!!

"Haruna, My  supposition is that Halifa doesn't want to show off his 
handsomeness."  Bailo.

You mean "DID NOT" all those years. Why now though? Do you  suppose if he 
really showed his true feelings, maybe PDOIS' fortunes would  look up as far 
as 
votes are concerned? The wulli people worshipping  Afros according to our 
friend Suntou is an aberration but just suppose  PDOIS folk began to be 
genuine 
Gambians, I mean one of us, do you  suppose we will receive them as equals? 
Or 
are they really our  equals??? So many questions, so little time.

"Your pal, John Edwards is  a handsome man too." Bailo.

Alright what's the catch?? I know you too  well Bailo. You cannot say 
unequivocally that John Edwards is handsome and  the best man for President 
of these 
Unanted Istates without following  it with a bombshell. SO what's the catch?

"I also think that John would  make an excellent choice as Obama's 
running-mate should the latter be able  to ride pass the Clintons' quest for 
a third 
term at the White House."  Bailo.

I knew it. You got this backwords my dear. OBAMA will make a  fair running 
mate for John Edwards. John Edwards will make a great running  mate for 
Hillary 
Clinton if Black folk can get past their  day-dreamings. Do you know who 
will 
run an OBAMA white-house??? Its  time y'all wake up and smell the coffee 
before its too late. If OBAMA  becomes president at this time, blacks will 
live to 
regret it for  their entire life. If they think that life is sorry now, they 
aint seen  nuttin yet. The days of settin on your fanny and expecting a 
knight 
in  shining armour to rid you of your misery is OVER.

"Bill and Hilary seem  so desperate to get back." Bailo.

Bailo, ifanang. Ikeebaayaatale. I beg  of you, do not yield to listless 
gossip and gaucherie. Ginny is crazy's  all I can say. Can you believe 
someone 
hating and slandering  admittendly without reason? If that ain't crazy, I 
don't 
know what  is.

"I hope America is at least ready for a mixed raced President in  the White 
House. Amen! I have a dream!" Bailo.

You guys still don't  get it. America, like the UK, France, Italy, Sweden, 
Denmark, Norway, and  Australia etcetera, HAVE ALWAYS BEEN READY FOR 
MIXED-RACE,  
STRAIGHT-RACE, SKEWED-RACE candidates. For AMERICA, that just ain't BARACK  
OBAMA at this time. God I hope you guys don't let sentimentalism and  
untethered and listless hope confound you. At least not my Bailo and  
Moribolong. I may 
have lost Mr. Jobarteh already, but I'll be damned  if I'm gonna lose you 
and 
Ousman. 

Please reconsider your  unconditional attachment to Barack for President of 
America. If you don't  like John Edwards, please support Hillary Clinton. 
Barack will make a  great Secretary of State in either an Edwards or a 
Clinton 
Presidency.  Then in 2012, he will have been ready to be President and all 
of us,  
including Edwards and CLinton will make sure he is President. Don't go  
saying 
that I think Barack needs more experience. NO THAT IS NOT what  I'm saying 
and frankly I think Barack has enough experience to be  President somewhere. 
Just not America. Barack will only be an effective  President of America in 
a 
more benign atmosphere. Not Now. We got a  lotta work to do in America to 
right 
the sails after my friend W  leaves office. Barack is not suitable for those 
challenges. One reason is  he does have some conflicts of interest that will 
malign his foreign  policy. Two is he lives in fantasy land about bringing 
independents and  republicans to join democrats and move the country 
forward. Just 
ask  yourself, if independents, republicans, and democrats were to join  
together, would his administration be needed to do anything??? That is the  
far side 
of this fairy tale that our other friend Bill Clinton talks  about. In my 
eyes, Duval Patrick, Governor of Massachusetts will have  gotten my vote 
were he 
to run for President at any time. I know he  supports Barack. He has a 
different reason for doing that. Bailo, I don't  want to go on and on for 
God knows I 
want Barack to get as many black  votes as he could, but you guys 
castigating 
the Clintons and every  body else for your support of Barack is detrimental 
to 
Barack himself.  Don't get carried away by Ginny. You don't know Ginny's 
politique. Even  she doesn't know her own politique quite well. No comment 
on 
Maria Del  Sol. She will deal with her own unique deamons. And tell joe to 
friggin  
settle down. Anytime he opens his big mouth, you think the skies are  
falling 
and life's over. I don't know about you Bailo, but I intend to  live for 
another year. I must say though that I agree with him this time  about giving 

idiots a pass. He's just too nervous for my sanity. He's  the fear-monger 
Barack 
keeps talking about. And of course my other  friend John McCain. I didn't 
even 
know that McCain cannot raise his  two hands past his head. I always thought 

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