Ok sister Jabou I agree let us move on , i only start with our local masjid and always pray when they do
the exchange as i told ginny was purely an educational exchange . I am NOT an astronomer so that solves the problem
aob but honestly are you from Bakau or Gungur ?/ ( laugh)
hj Habib
> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:05:28 -0400> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: first ramadam/Habib> To: [log in to unmask]> > Brother Habib,> > Forgive me but this man may be a reknown scientist but I will go with the sunnah of Rasulullah over his calculations. It is a matter of keeping the faith pure, avoiding innovations and following the tradition of the Prophet (SAS) who was given the Qur'an to deliver to us.> Let us move on.> Wassalaam> > > Jabou> > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: Habib Ghanim <[log in to unmask]>> To: [log in to unmask]> Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:58 pm> Subject: Re: first ramadam/Habib> > > > > > > > > > > sister Jabou Thank you > like I told sister ginny it is my Pakistani next door neighbour Dr Khalid > Shaukat who is both a scientist and a mathemethician > that is behind this group > I will cut and paste but please visit his websight > moonsighting.com for further details > > he does the prayer calenders for almost all the muslim countries including the > Gambia and usa> so my rationel is that if we accept the prayer times and calender why not the > new moon calculations > again forgive me and let me make it clear that it was not ME but the committe > that came up with this strategy > i am just an observer who happens to be next door and attend some of the > meetings with his permission> > > so to answer your question who is behind this here are some of his own words > > I hope it will clear the air per say - I learn every day and at times see the > new moon when he sees it and shows me > > by Khalid Shaukat > > We calculate where the crescent moon sighting is possible for every lunar month. > Visibility of the New Crescent Moon is calculated using the criteria, developed > after decades of research by Khalid Shaukat, of Moonsighting Committee Worldwide > (MCW). Development of the criteria included several thousand authentic > observations, collected over a period of 150 years in different locations of the > world. These visibility calculations jive with the observations every month > since 1993.> > > > > > > > > Global Islamic Calendar: The criterion is moon birth before 12:00 (GMT).> > > Islamic Months> > Conjunction Date> > (GMT)> > > > 1st Day of Islamic Month> > Gregorian Date> > Weekday> > > Rajab 1427> > July 25, 2006> > 4:30> > > > Rajab 1, 1427> > July 26, 2006> > (WED)> > > Sha'ban 1427> > August 23, 2006> > 19:09> > > > Sha'ban 1, 1427> > August 25, 2006> > (FRI)> > > Ramadan 1427> > September 22, 2006> > 11:45> > > > Ramadan 1, 1427> > September 23, 2006> > (SAT)> > > Shawwal 1427> > October 22, 2006> > 5:14> > > > Shawwal 1, 1427> > October 23, 2006> > (MON)> > > Dhul-Qi'dah 1427> > November 20, 2006> > 22:17> > > > Dhul-Qi'dah 1, 1427> > November 22, 2006> > (WED)> > > Dhul-Hijjah 1427> > December 20, 2006> > 14:00> > > > Dhul-Hijjah 1, 1427> > December 22, 2006> > (FRI)> > > Muharram 1428> > January 19, 2007> > 4:00> > > > Muharram 1, 1428> > January 20, 2007> > (SAT)> > > Safar 1428> > February 17, 2007> > 16:14> > > > Safar 1, 1428> > February 19, 2007> > (MON)> > > Rabi-al-Awwal 1428> > March 19, 2007> > 2:42> > > > Rabi-al-Awwal 1, 1428> > March 20, 2007> > (TUE)> > > Rabi-al-Thani 1428> > April 17, 2007> > 11:36> > > > Rabi-al-Thani 1, 1428> > April 18, 2007> > (WED)> > > Jumada-al-oola 1428> > May 16, 2007> > 19:27> > > > Jumada-al-oola 1, 1428> > May 18, 2007> > (FRI)> > > Jumada-al-Ukhra 1428> > June 15, 2007> > 3:13> > > > Jumada-al-Ukhra 1, 1428> > June 16, 2007> > (SAT)> > > Rajab 1428> > July 14, 2007> > 12:03> > > > Rajab 1, 1428> > July 16, 2007> > (MON)> > > Sha'ban 1428> > August 12, 2007> > 23:02> > > > Sha'ban 1, 1428> > August 14, 2007> > (TUE)> > > Ramadan 1428> > September 11, 2007> > 12:44> > > > Ramadan 1, 1428> > September 13, 2007> > (THU)> > > Shawwal 1428> > October 11, 2007> > 5:00> > > > Shawwal 1, 1428> > October 12, 2007> > (FRI)> > > Dhul-Qi'dah 1428> > November 9, 2007> > 23:03> > > > Dhul-Qi'dah 1, 1428> > November 11, 2007> > (SUN)> > > Dhul-Hijjah 1428> > December 9, 2007> > 17:40> > > > Dhul-Hijjah 1, 1428> > December 11, 2007> > (TUE)> > > Muharram 1429> > January 8, 2008> > 11:37> > > > Muharram 1, 1429> > January 9, 2008> > (WED)> > > Safar 1429> > February 7, 2008> > 3:44> > > > Safar 1, 1429> > February 8, 2008> > (FRI)> > > Rabi-al-Awwal 1429> > March 7, 2008> > 17:14> > > > Rabi-al-Awwal 1, 1429> > March 9, 2008> > (SUN)> > > Rabi-al-Thani 1429> > April 6, 2008> > 3:55> > > > Rabi-al-Thani 1, 1429> > April 7, 2008> > (MON)> > > Jumada-al-oola 1429> > May 5, 2008> > 12:18> > > > Jumada-al-oola 1, 1429> > May 7, 2008> > (WED)> > > Jumada-al-Ukhra 1429> > June 3, 2008> > 19:22> > > > Jumada-al-Ukhra 1, 1429> > June 5, 2008> > (THU)> > > Rajab 1429> > July 3, 2008> > 2:18> > > > Rajab 1, 1429> > July 4, 2008> > (FRI)> > > Sha'ban 1429> > August 1, 2008> > 10:12> > > > Sha'ban 1, 1429> > August 2, 2008> > (SAT)> > > Ramadan 1429> > August 30, 2008> > 19:58> > > > Ramadan 1, 1429> > September 1, 2008> > (MON)> > > Shawwal 1429> > September 29, 2008> > 8:12> > > > Shawwal 1, 1429> > September 30, 2008> > (TUE)> > > Dhul-Qi'dah 1429> > October 28, 2008> > 23:13> > > > Dhul-Qi'dah 1, 1429> > October 30, 2008> > (THU)> > > Dhul-Hijjah 1429> > November 27, 2008> > 16:54> > > > Dhul-Hijjah 1, 1429> > November 29, 2008> > (SAT)> > > Muharram 1430> > December 27, 2008> > 12:22> > > > Muharram 1, 1430> > December 29, 2008> > (MON)> > > Safar 1430> > January 26, 2009> > 7:55> > > > Safar 1, 1430> > January 27, 2009> > (TUE)> > > Rabi-al-Awwal 1430> > February 25, 2009> > 1:35> > > > Rabi-al-Awwal 1, 1430> > February 26, 2009> > (THU)> > > Rabi-al-Thani 1430> > March 26, 2009> > 16:05> > > > Rabi-al-Thani 1, 1430> > March 28, 2009> > (SAT)> > > Jumada-al-oola 1430> > April 25, 2009> > 3:22> > > > Jumada-al-oola 1, 1430> > April 26, 2009> > (SUN)> > > Jumada-al-Ukhra 1430> > May 24, 2009> > 12:11> > > > Jumada-al-Ukhra 1, 1430> > May 26, 2009> > (TUE)> > > Rajab 1430> > June 22, 2009> > 19:34> > > > Rajab 1, 1430> > June 24, 2009> > (WED)> > > Sha'ban 1430> > July 22, 2009> > 2:34> > > > Sha'ban 1, 1430> > July 23, 2009> > (THU)> > > Ramadan 1430> > August 20, 2009> > 10:01> > > > Ramadan 1, 1430> > August 21, 2009> > (FRI)> > > Shawwal 1430> > September 18, 2009> > 18:44> > > > Shawwal 1, 1430> > September 20, 2009> > (SUN)> > > Dhul-Qi'dah 1430> > October 18, 2009> > 5:33> > > > Dhul-Qi'dah 1, 1430> > October 19, 2009> > (MON)> > > Dhul-Hijjah 1430> > November 16, 2009> > 19:13> > > > Dhul-Hijjah 1, 1430> > November 18, 2009> > (WED)> > > Muharram 1431> > December 16, 2009> > 12:02> > > > Muharram 1, 1431> > December 18, 2009> > (FRI)> > > Safar 1431> > January 15, 2010> > 7:11> > > > Safar 1, 1431> > January 16, 2010> > (SAT)> > > Rabi-al-Awwal 1431> > February 14, 2010> > 2:51> > > > Rabi-al-Awwal 1, 1431> > February 15, 2010> > (MON)> > > Rabi-al-Thani 1431> > March 15, 2010> > 21:01> > > > Rabi-al-Thani 1, 1431> > March 17, 2010> > (WED)> > > Jumada-al-oola 1431> > April 14, 2010> > 12:28> > > > Jumada-al-oola 1, 1431> > April 16, 2010> > (FRI)> > > Jumada-al-Ukhra 1431> > May 14, 2010> > 1:04> > > > Jumada-al-Ukhra 1, 1431> > May 15, 2010> > (SAT)> > > Rajab 1431> > June 12, 2010> > 11:14> > > > Rajab 1, 1431> > June 13, 2010> > (SUN)> > > Sha'ban 1431> > July 11, 2010> > 19:40> > > > Sha'ban 1, 1431> > July 13, 2010> > (TUE)> > > Ramadan 1431> > August 10, 2010> > 3:07> > > > Ramadan 1, 1431> > August 11, 2010> > (WED)> > > Shawwal 1431> > September 8, 2010> > 10:29> > > > Shawwal 1, 1431> > September 9, 2010> > (THU)> > > Dhul-Qi'dah 1431> > October 7, 2010> > 18:44> > > > Dhul-Qi'dah 1, 1431> > October 9, 2010> > (SAT)> > > Dhul-Hijjah 1431> > November 6, 2010> > 4:51> > > > Dhul-Hijjah 1, 1431> > November 7, 2010> > (SUN)> > > Muharram 1432> > December 5, 2010> > 17:35> > > > Muharram 1, 1432> > December 7, 2010> > (TUE)> > > Safar 1432> > January 4, 2011> > 9:02> > > > Safar 1, 1432> > January 5, 2011> > (WED)> > > Rabi-al-Awwal 1432> > February 3, 2011> > 2:30> > > > Rabi-al-Awwal 1, 1432> > February 4, 2011> > (FRI)> > > Rabi-al-Thani 1432> > March 4, 2011> > 20:45> > > > Rabi-al-Thani 1, 1432> > March 6, 2011> > (SUN)> > > Jumada-al-oola 1432> > April 3, 2011> > 14:32> > > > Jumada-al-oola 1, 1432> > April 5, 2011> > (TUE)> > > Jumada-al-Ukhra 1432> > May 3, 2011> > 6:50> > > > Jumada-al-Ukhra 1, 1432> > May 4, 2011> > (WED)> > > Rajab 1432> > June 1, 2011> > 21:02> > > > Rajab 1, 1432> > June 3, 2011> > (FRI)> > > Sha'ban 1432> > July 1, 2011> > 8:53> > > > Sha'ban 1, 1432> > July 2, 2011> > (SAT)> > > Ramadan 1432> > July 30, 2011> > 18:39> > > > Ramadan 1, 1432> > August 1, 2011> > (MON)> > > Shawwal 1432> > August 29, 2011> > 3:04> > > > Shawwal 1, 1432> > August 30, 2011> > (TUE)> > > Dhul-Qi'dah 1432> > September 27, 2011> > 11:08> > > > Dhul-Qi'dah 1, 1432> > September 28, 2011> > (WED)> > > Dhul-Hijjah 1432> > October 26, 2011> > 19:55> > > > Dhul-Hijjah 1, 1432> > October 28, 2011> > (FRI)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Proposed Global Islamic Calendar: (If Ulemaa' accept it)> > > > > > > > Astronomical calculations can be used to determine the beginning of the Islamic > lunar months with the consideration of the sightability of the crescent anywhere > on the globe. > To determine a lunar Islamic calendar, a conventional point of reference must be > used. The International Date Line (IDL) is the best place to be used as a > reference point. > The new Islamic Lunar month begins at sunset of the day when the conjunction > occurs before 0:00 midnight at IDL (which is 12:00 Noon GMT). If the conjunction > occurs after 0:00 at IDL, then the month begins at sunset of the next day. > Brief Explanation: > A. Discussion of a number of research papers led to the conclusion that the > use of calculation both in negation as well as affirmation of the beginning of > the new Islamic Lunar months has a firm basis in the Qur'an and Sunnah as well > as in the opinion of some classical and contemporary jurists. > B. The new moon (i.e. time of conjunction) is when the Moon passes between the > Earth and the Sun closest to the Sun-Earth line. This time of conjunction is > precisely predictable by astronomical calculation. > C. The conjunction before 0:00 at IDL (i.e. 12:00 Noon GMT) would give enough > time to the new moon to be visible (weather permitting) somewhere on the globe > on that day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5 yr Global Calendars > > > > > > > No complicated calculations are needed for this calendar. Any person with common > sense math can make it. Only the time and date of new moon birth is Needed, > which can easily be obtained from Almanacs, Newspapers, or Internet. > Click here for 5 years calendar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why 12:00 GMT > > > > > > > Primary reason is that when it is 12:00 noon GMT, it is 0:00 at International > Dateline (IDL) [180:00 Longitude]. So, when sunset time comes at IDL around 6:00 > to 6:30 pm, it will be 18 plus hours after conjunction, and the moon is > considered sightable at the IDL or before, when its age has become more than 18 > hours (in some cases by telescope only).> Secondary reason is that when it is 12:00 noon GMT, it is 0:00 at IDL. If the > conjunction has occurred before that time, then the month can begin at the IDL > when it is 0:00 at IDL, meaning a new day has started. This condition will not > be true if we choose any other reference line or reference time. Also, the > sightability consideration would be affected if any other time is chosen. > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:53:08 -0400> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: > first ramadam/Habib> To: [log in to unmask]> > Habib,> > If they are > able to spit out a calendar with regard to when Ramadan will end, that that is > based on pure astronomical calculations and not in conjunction with the use of > telescopes to actually sight the moon, and that is departing from sunnah.> You > mentioned all the new discoveries that were not known before, however, the > Qur'an tells us that Allah (SWT) is the knower of the visible and the invisible. > He is also the one who inspires His creation to be able to invent or to do > anything else for that matter, so no future inventions could possibly have been > unknown to Him. The Prophet (SAS) also told us about all the things that will > come to pass before the day of judgement and if you examine the list, you will > be able to identify without a doubt many a modern invention.> > Who exactly were > the people who got together to come up with this system of calculations and > which Islamic scholars are in agreement with them?> > Jabou> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: Habib Ghanim <[log in to unmask]>> To: > [log in to unmask]> Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 1:17 am> Subject: Re: first > ramadam to be on thursday> > > > > > > > > > > The following table lists the > Gregorian dates of New Year, the beginning of > Ramadan, the date of Eid al-Fitr > and Eid al-Adha, according to the Ummal-Qura.> > > > > > Year> > 1 Muharram> > 1 > Ramadan> > 1 Shawwal> > 10 Dhul-Hijja> > > 1425> > 21 Feb 2004 Sa> > 15 Oct 2004 > Fr> > Nov 2004> > 21 Jan 2005 Fr> > > 1426> > 10 Feb 2005 Th> > 4 Oct 2005 Tu> > > 3 Nov 2005> > 10 Jan 2006Tu> > > 1427> > 31 Jan 2006 Tu> > 24 Sep 2006 Su> > 23 > Oct 2006> > 31 Dec 2006 Su> > > 1428> > 20 Jan 2007 Sa> > 13 Sep 2007 Th> > 13 > Oct 2007> > 20 Dec 2007 Th> > > 1429> > 10 Jan 2008 Th> > 1 Sep 2008 Mo> > 1 Oct > 2008> > 8 Dec 2008 Mo> > > 1430> > 29 Dec 2008 Mo> > 22 Aug 2009> > 20 Sep 2009> > > 27 Nov 2009 Fr> > > 1431> > 18 Dec 2009 Fr> > 11 Aug 2010> > 10 Sep 2010> > 16 > Nov 2010Tu> plan your holidays now without headaches> > > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 > 00:08:29 -0400> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: > first ramadam to be on > thursday> To: [log in to unmask]> > > Brother > Habib,> > Thanks.> As I > mentioned, I have no problem with the choice of Makkah > as the point of > > reference for the moon sightings. Infact, I think that it is > something > > befitting that should have been done long ago because it is a point > of > reference for > the Ummah.> The slaughtering en masse also makes sense > because > the pronouncement of > Allah's (SWT) name is what matters there so no > major > departures from the sunnah.> Loud speakers make sense as aids to better > > conveyance of what is being said.> Therefore, opposition to these above > > mentioned items is a bit fanatical.> However, when it comes to the actual > > sighting of the moon with the naked > eye, that is the sunnah of the Prophet and > > even the Qu'ran mentions that. > Deciding to depend on mathematical and > > astronomical calculations alone without > seeing the actual moon crescent is > > another matter altogether. Innovation I say.> We already know that in the lunar > > calendar we follow in Islam, some months > are 30 days and some are 29, and > the > Prophet told us that during his time. > During Ramadan, actually sighting > the > moon is what determines if we fast 29 days > or 30 days.> I personally > think > that it is a dangerous departure.> Instead, what needed to be done was > to have > the Ummah World-wide defer to > the Makkans whenever they inform us > that the > moon has been sighted over there > with the naked eye and go with > that as > opposed to going with calculations. > I remember that during the time > that the > late Serigne Modou Lamin Bah was > imam of Banjul, if the moon was > sighted in > Makkah, he would make the decision to > go along with that > schedule.> > May > Allah guide the Ummah to the straight path and protect us > from Bi'da.> May He > inspire and help us to keep our faith pure.> > Please > remember us, the rest of > our compatriots and the Ummah in your > prayers.> > > wassalaam,> Jabou> > In a > message dated 9/11/2007 10:46:51 P.M. Central > Daylight Time, > [log in to unmask] > writes:> > Balal na la Ahha> yes indeed > sister jabou> for several months since > jan 2007 all the muslim scholars that > are > astronomers and mathematicians met > with some religious scholars in > europe , south asia > and in the usa plus > experts from Africa ( capetown and > cairo) to finalize > this method> > the key > is very simple and strategic one > location was selected and which > city better > than mekkah> so when the new > moon is born ( the know the exact time to the > seconds ) in > mekkah area alone > before sunset then we start the new lunar month > the > following day but when > the new moon is born after sunset then the next day > is the > first day- > reasoning is that since each month is exactly 29.5 (and half > day) > so it > means some months will be 30 days and some 29 only> there is no > half day - so > it makes sense and yes it has been accepted by > the scholars> > > > remember > when the microphone or loud speakers fist came about abot 60 years > > ago many > indo pak muslims also refused to use them because it was not used in > > the > time of the prophet (pbuh) and not sunnah > well with technonogy and science > > advances Imams now use these loudspeakers > to give khutbas to big crowds of > > worshippers so all can hear him deliver > his speech. and there is no debate on > > this matter any more with the cell phones > and land lines -telephones have > sms > /ims , cameras and even videos now to > almost mini computers > > we have > the > same issues with mechanical slaughter of chickens versus hand > slaughter > - now > machine slaughtered chickens are allowed as long as they are > > supervised > properly to avoid mistakes and the tasmiah is said by the muslim > > supervisors > during the process> > a classic example used was that during the > prophets time > people performed > pilgrimage to mekkah on horses and camels now > we us > airoplanes and cars and > boats. > > best regards to y'all in the south > and have > a blessed month of Ramadan> Hajj Habib> > > > > Date: Tue, 11 Sep > 2007 22:35:50 > -0400> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: > first ramadam to be > on thursday> To: > [log in to unmask]> > Habib,> > > Balal na la, balal > ma ahhah.> > > Astronomical calculations instead of > actually sighting the > moon? I have no > issues with the rest of the Islamic World > going along with > the Makkans > sighting of the moon as the start and end of > Ramadan, but is the > new standard > of going with astronomical calculations sunnah?> > > Jabou> > > > > -----Original > Message-----> From: Habib Ghanim > <[log in to unmask]>> To: > [log in to unmask]> > Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 8:21 pm> > Subject: Re: > first ramadam to be on thursday> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks sister > Jabou > > thank God the whole universe this > year starts on the same day ie 13 th > sept > and > will celebrate eid on 13 th > october 2007> from now on we will all > noy > look for the new cresent moon as the > new global > standard will use makkah > > as the target for the whole world and > now based on > astronomical and > > mathematical calculations only > we know when > eid will fall for 5 years now > without > complains ( except the > bangladashis > and indo pakistanis) inshallah > this is > a good move to unify the > ummah> > > balal ma ahhah > may we meet > next years > ramadan in good health inshallah> > habib Diab ghanim> > > > > > Date: Tue, 11 > Sep 2007 20:01:34 -0400> From: > [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: > > first ramadam to > be on thursday> To: > [log in to unmask]> > Ramadaan > > Mubarak.> May > Allah (SWT) accept our > fasting and forgive us our sins.> > > Jabou > Joh> > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message-----> From: SUNTOU TOURAY > > > <[log in to unmask]>> To: > [log in to unmask]> Sent: Tue, 11 > Sep 2007 > 1:19 pm> > Subject: first > ramadam to be on thursday> > > > > > > > > > > > the main > > islamic news chanel > in U.k announce that ramadan will > comence on > thursday the > > 13th of > september.> i wish every body a blessed > ramadan. i am sure baba and > some > > sanyang kunda > folks will be happy that > we will wait for another day > to start > > the fast .not > forgeting the darboe > kunda crew .saloum,haruna and > lj darboe > > .God bless ,guys.> suntou.> > > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤> > > To > unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of > postings, go to the Gambia-L > Web > > > interface> at: > http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html> > To > > Search in > the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l> > > > To contact the List > Management, please send an e-mail to:> > > [log in to unmask]> > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________> > > > Email > and AIM finally together. 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