Brother Joe Sambou,
Mr. Conteh's accusative question and Sister Jabou's rejoinder following it
were readily provocative. Perhaps your responses would have been different
if you did not feel accused.
All the same, I have no doubts whatsoever, that you could muster up your own
defense without deploying the barrage of insults and profanities replete in
your latest messages. The insults are completely unwarranted and I hope you
will refrain from continuing to do so.
Momodou S Sidibeh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/Joe Sambou
> No Jabou, you have lied and are not going to wiggle out of this one. If
> calling you a tired ass is profanity, then you will get a lot of it coming
> to ya. I am going to hound your old ass till you cough it up. That is a
> promise I shall keep.
>
> Chi Jaama
>
> Joe Sambou
>
>
> >From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/Joe Sambou
> >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:16:55 EDT
> >
> >Joe,
> >
> >You have lost all sense of reality. Why do you think that endorsing the
> >candidacy of Jasseh Conteh has to have anything to do with attacking you
> >first? If
> >I or anyone else wanted to endorse Conteh, why would we need an excuse? I
> >think you are assigning too much importance to yourself.
> >While you are trying to lump people and find reasons to label them with
> >your
> >wild imaginings, another observation I have made about you is that you
> >always
> >go after those who are especially hard on Jammeh and his illegal regime.
> >I hope that does not send you into another profanity binge.
> >
> >Jabou Joh
> >
> >In a message dated 4/6/04 2:44:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
> >[log in to unmask] writes:
> > >
> > > Elhajj, you are too funny!
> > >
> > > "I, for one, heavily suspected you after our Tam Tam interview, when
you
> > > said you were
> > > aware of everything happening on the ground"
> > >
> > > Thanks for ascribing Godly powers on me. I know everything that is
> > > happening in the Gambia, huh!Your relatives and friends online must be
> > > ashamed of the slime you've turned into. But then, may be they knew
> >about
> > > you. While I was on Radio Tam Tam encouraging Gambians to speak out
> >against
> > > the murderers and criminals in the Gambia, you were busy finding an
> > > association of me and the APRC. Elhajj, I called you a Jammeh
> >sympathizer
> > > years ago and that is in the archives. Your defense of them is also
in
> >the
> > > archives. Folks on line know Ebou Jallow very well and that is the
same
> > > person that is going to be your summer guest. The same person I
accused
> >you
> > > of receiving a "Dankaal" from, years ago. Also, the same person that
> >Jabou
> > > came to apologize for defending ignorantly all this time. Taf, you
are
> >a
> > > hustler and all this flip flop is a hustle. You lied about the first
> > > republic in your defense of Yaya then, only to come and tell us that
> >Yaya
> > > wants to kill you now. Liar, get your ducks in order. Which republic
> >are
> > > you telling us about? Taf, folks may be silent because this whole
> >nonsense
> > > is vexation to their souls, but they see clearly you all's rabid
minds.
> >The
> > > link between, Taf, Binneh, Jabou, and Conteh is evident. Remember,
your
> > > enemy's enemy is your friend. Just nothing but a bunch of idiots that
> >are
> > > malicious and opportunists. You'll could not even hide your shame.
All
> >on
> > > this list knew you cannot stand my guts, thus you figured you just
gang
> >up
> > > to spread lies about me.
> > >
> > > Well, while you are at it, why don't you all come out and endorse the
> > > candidacy of Jasseh Conteh? Now, if this brother is not the
definition
> >of
> > > lunacy, someone please educate me. For we saw him in all forms.
You'll
> > > remember his slogan before his swindle with Sheriff Dibba, "Yaya Let
My
> > > People Go". However, the moment Sheriff duped him into being his
Jali,
> >he
> > > came howling about how he is going to follow his leader and mentor in
> > > Sheriff Dibba to join Yaya and how Yaya is working for Gambia.
> >Remember,
> > > his sermon about the "olive Branch"? Folks, please don't take my word
> >for
> > > it, visit the archives. Well, Sheriff left the Raccoon in the cold,
> >thus
> > > his silence for a long time. Now, we see the opportunist surface to
> > > announce his candidacy. Is that a coincidence, not at all. Also,
> >remember,
> > > the same lunatic announced that he was going to Gambia to teach during
> >his
> > > vacation, just months ago, all nothing but a scheme. Has he said
zilch
> > > about who all he taught? I asked him about that swindle of his and to
> >this
> > > day he said zilch? Folks, did Jasseh Conteh also tell us he had any
> > > problems in Gambia with the APRC? I wonder why? All this while Joe
> >here,
> > > has not been to Gambia almost four years ago. Elhajj, your cover is
> >blown
> > > right there? May be you need to ask Jasseh Conteh his dealing with
> >Sheriff
> > > while in the Gambia? This malicious lie of you all's will be followed
> >to
> > > its logical conclusion. You'll shall be exposed for the skunks you
turn
> > > into. To the sick souls, this will continue.
> > >
> > > Chi Jaama
> > >
> > > Joe Sambou
> > > >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/ Conteh/Soffie
> > > >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:39:10 +0200
> > > >
> > > >Joe,
> > > >Pls. stop your childish attacks on people again. Do you think your
APRC
> > > >sycophants will
> > > >come here to reveal that you were spying for them? Is Tijan Ceesay "
> >Eku
> > > >Boopa "?
> > > >I, for one, heavily suspected you after our Tam Tam interview, when
you
> > > >said
> > > >you were
> > > >aware of everything happening on the ground. Stop attacking Jabou!
> >Jassey
> > > >Conteh uncovered you!
> > > >You are pushing your attacks on everybody now like a mad cow. We are
> >not
> > > >afraid of our
> > > >positions in attacking Yaya Jammeh. He has guns, and WE have our
mouths
> >and
> > > >computers.
> > > >
> > > >Elhajj.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:55 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/ Conteh/Soffie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Soffie, Jabou is going to tender proof of this venom she spitted.
> >And
> > > >she
> > > > > says she is a Muslim. Chei Jabou? I find you to be a hypocrit
from
> > > >this
> > > > > day on and I suggest that you kneel down and beg for forgiveness
> >from
> > > >your
> > > > > God, for you have literally attempted to murderd your fellow being
> > > >because
> > > > > of spite. But, this fellow here is not a push over and I'll run
you
> > > >over
> > > > > before you do me. You will someday publicly apologize to me in
this
> > > >same
> > > > > public forum that you came to attempt to assasinate me. I want
any
> >APRC
> > > > > person to come say that I ever called them or spoke with them.
Any.
> > l
> > > >have
> > > > > not talked to Tijan Ceesay but twice since his association with
> >Yaya.
> > > >The
> > > > > first was when a mutual friend informed me of Tijan working at the
> > > >Embassy.
> > > > > Essa Sey was the Ambassador at the time. I came to this very
forum
> >and
> > > > > blasted him for being an opportunist and serving tea to Essa.
After
> > > >Essa's
> > > > > termination, he told me how Tijan was all over him thinking that
he
> >Essa
> > > >was
> > > > > spreading that message. Now, Essa is right here on line. Ask him
> >if he
> > > >did
> > > > > not contact me after he was fired? The second was during the Omar
> >Gaye
> > > >saga
> > > > > with Tijan Ceesay and again, all on this forum heard and saw my
> >stance
> > > >and
> > > > > that was the last time I spoke with Tijan. You see Jabou, my
> >conscience
> > > >is
> > > > > clear, thus I can speak on things freely with no baggage. But at
> >the
> > > >end
> > > >of
> > > > > the day, you will tell Gambians about this big lie of yours.
Jabou,
> >if
> > > >you
> > > > > can talk about Allah the way you do here and come to lie this
> >blatant, I
> > > > > wonder what else you could do to a humanbeing. To all that
> >entertain
> > > >Jabou
> > > > > here, religiously, I say to you, you are dealing with a very
> >vindictive
> > > > > person and a hypocrit. You are dealing with a person that will go
> >to
> > > >any
> > > > > lengths to lie big time about any that she cannot control. They
> >gheeza
> > > >is
> > > >a
> > > > > control freak and she knows that I am one fellow that does not
> >entertain
> > > >her
> > > > > craziness. Look at her bedfellows in this lie, they constantly
are
> > > >stroking
> > > > > each other's ego and will because they are all drunk with malice.
> > > >Besides,
> > > > > if they succeed in this filth they are creating in a tribal war in
> > > >Gambia,
> > > > > yours and mine are going to be the victims. I thought I
encountered
> > > >slime
> > > > > in my life, but this cabal redefined slime to a whole new level.
A
> > > > > grandmother and a liar. Most folks would shape their lives to age
> > > > > gracefully, but not this gheezer. However, I am here to stay, so
> >bring
> > > >it
> > > > > on. Just pathethic and shameful.
> > > > >
> > > > > Folks, I hate to clutter your mails with this filth, but I am not
> >going
> > > >to
> > > > > let this gheeza or anyone spread this filth here about me. Jabou,
> >you
> > > > > committed yourself, so Gambians are expecting the dirt you have on
> >Joe.
> > > >You
> > > > > are not going to run away with this one. So, out with it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chi jaama
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe Sambou
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Ceesay, Soffie" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > > > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/ Conteh/Soffie
> > > > > >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:13:24 -0700
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Sister Jabou, thank you. I agree with you. Those aspects of
> >'Maslaha'
> > > > > >which are detrimental to our lives and livelihood, like many of
our
> > > >other
> > > > > >harmful traditions, has to be done away with by pre-emption. My
> > > >concern
> > > >is
> > > > > >when we start to label each other with that which we are not,
> >because
> > > >of
> > > > > >how we might have come across on this medium, our effectiveness
in
> >our
> > > > > >fight against the tyranny becomes weakened. Use of tribe for
> >personal
> > > >gain
> > > > > >is what's happening, this is Yaya's game and Gambia's problem.
> > > >Unfettered
> > > > > >sycophancy, which has side-lined tribe, is Gambia's problem. It
> > > >becomes
> > > > > >our problem when we do not see it for what it is being used for,
> >and
> > > > > >counter that vigorously by foiling his sinister plan. How do we
do
> > > >that -
> > > > > >Transforming how we think and how others who make thoughtless
> >comments
> > > > > >think, through civil dialogue; questionning ourselves about our
> >"forgna
> > > > > >dehs" and make attempts
> > > > > >to "hamm" and ask when we do not; and come together to forge the
> > > >necessary
> > > > > >plan to help Gambia. It is wrong and dangerous to single out the
> >Jolas
> > > >to
> > > > > >vent our anger and frustrations at, for the mis-deeds of a leech
> >who
> > > >after
> > > > > >sucking you dry, hand you over to be fried. I am asking that for
> >this
> > > > > >fight, let us join hands, hearts, and minds. Let us deal with
the
> > > >issue
> > > >of
> > > > > >tribalism in the country on it's own.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Soffie
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >From: Jabou Joh [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:45 AM
> > > > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/ Conteh/Soffie
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Soffie,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >As always, I appreciate your imput and thanks.
> > > > > >However sister, if we off-handedly label this issue as just part
of
> >the
> > > > > >Jammeh problem without bringing it into the open so that we can
> > > >pre-empt
> > > > > >any larger
> > > > > >problems that will arise later when it is too late, I think we
wil
> > > >lhave
> > > > > >regrets only after things have gotten out of hand. The fact that
> >there
> > > >is
> > > > > >favouritism in the allocation of high ranking positions in the
army
> >as
> > > >well
> > > > > >as even
> > > > > >the availability of basic services like electricity and the cost
of
> > > >rice
> > > > > >which
> > > > > >is a basic Gambian staple tells me that this issue is potentially
> > > >explosive
> > > > > >unless and until we talk about it openly, and in so doing, those
> >who
> > > >have
> > > > > >interest in fermenting this sinister plan will know that the
people
> >are
> > > > > >aware. That
> > > > > >simple fact itself can be a deterrent. We Gambians are used to
> >adopting
> > > >the
> > > > > >least confrontational mode and simplifying things to our own
> >detriment.
> > > > > >We cannot afford to leave any problematic area that this regime
has
> > > >helped
> > > > > >to
> > > > > >create.
> > > > > >Diplomacy cannot change the feelings of hostility that these
> >actions
> > > >can
> > > > > >brew
> > > > > >on the local level, and these seemingly minor details have led to
> > > > > >hostilities
> > > > > >and became much larger problems elsewhere. Only full exposure of
> >the
> > > > > >problem
> > > > > >can be the deterrent.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Jabou Joh
> > > > > >
> > > > > >In a message dated 4/6/04 9:20:02 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > > > > >[log in to unmask] writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Brothers and sisters -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The grey on my head is multiplying (no kidding), thanks to the
> >daily
> > > > > >grind
> > > > > > > of life in the US and the struggle we have to wage for
Gambia's
> > > > > >liberation.
> > > > > > > And, thanks also to dialogue that has only helped to fan the
> >flames
> > > >of
> > > > > > > mis-understanding between those of us who are fighting the
same
> > > >fight.
> > > > > >I hate to go
> > > > > > > against what my elders say and so I apologize before hand but,
> >what
> > > > > >pertains
> > > > > > > in the Gambia is not a JOLA problem, but Gambia's problem.
That
> > > >Yaya
> > > >is
> > > > > >a
> > > > > > > tribalist we all agree on. A tribalist for whom and against
> >whom,
> > > >very
> > > > > >hard
> > > > > > > for me to say and I will dis-agree with anyone who singles out
> > > >anyone
> > > > > >tribe.
> > > > > > > The Jola's are as much at the receiving end of his tyranny as
> > > >everyone
> > > > > >else.
> > > > > > > Those who've helped prop him up come from every strata of
> >Gambian
> > > > > >society
> > > > > > > and to allow ourselves to miss this point sends shivers up my
> >spine.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At our last demonstration in New York, when reporter Ebou
Waggeh
> > > >asked
> > > >a
> > > > > > > question (I do not recall what it was), this lady pushed
forward
> >and
> > > > > >began to
> > > > > > > spew spittle about the Jolas this and the Jolas that. I was
> > > >frightened
> > > > > >-
> > > > > > > frightened because she was speaking from her heart and
> >frightened
> > > >that
> > > > > >she has
> > > > > > > allowed herself to be manipulated into segmenting our society
by
> >the
> > > > > >shenanigans
> > > > > > > of a loony. If I were to turn around and ask her what any
Jola
> >has
> > > >done
> > > > > >to
> > > > > > > her or her family before Jammeh or now, she would have pointed
> >only
> > > >to
> > > > > > > Jammeh. My response to that comment, to Waggeh, was this -
Yaya
> >was
> > > > > >born a Jola
> > > > > > > and that is as far as he can claim. Those who benefited from
> >and
> > > > > >supported him
> > > > > > > run the tribal gamut.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some of us are lucky and can claim to be a bonafide Wollof,
> > > >Mandinka,
> > > > > >Jola,
> > > > > > > Sarahuleh, Manjaago, or whatever. So what? At the end of the
> >day,
> > > >what
> > > > > >does
> > > > > > > that bring you? I will suggest that many Gambians are like me
> >who
> > > > > >cannot
> > > > > > > claim to be a bonafide anytribe even if I grew up speaking
only
> > > >Wollof.
> > > > > >I will
> > > > > > > also suggest that it is people in our families and tribes who
> >will
> > > >put
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > screws to you without a second thought and Yaya is no
different.
> > > >For
> > > > > > > political expediency, he uses whatever he can and if tribalism
> >is
> > > > > >readily available
> > > > > > > and he's proved that it can polarize the opposition, why not
use
> >it.
> > > >My
> > > > > > > sincerest apologies to all as well as my regards. I now go
back
> >to
> > > >the
> > > > > >plantation
> > > > > > > grind.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Soffie Ceesay
> > > > > > > A Gambian
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