----- Original Message -----
From: landing sanyang <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 4:36 AM
Subject: SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: CALL FOR UNITY
Mr Mballow,
Thank you for your latest posting and i appologise for waking you up,from your deep sleep,only to jump on me like a wounded lion.It seems that we have come to the ultimate end of our discussion,as you have discovered that i am not seriously committed to the issue under question and very very much indeed allergic to your type of honesty and truth.
I warned you of deviation from the subject matter "call for unity".You smuggled in your pro-UDP sentiments and i responded with my anti -UDP sentiments,which led to your baseless and unfounded personal attacks on me.I don't mean to be impolite,but your reaction diplays a high level/degree of immaturity and arrogance.Before i call you by names,i would make sure that i investigate about you and call you names that befit you,so as to register some degree of impact,with whatever motive behind such an act.I am not the least shaken or troubled by your allegations,assumptions and name calling but i believed they are worth discussing before we close the chapter of our present discussion.
Mr Mballow,i stand firm by my previous posting and all what i have said represent my perceptoin of events unfolding in the Gambia's political scene.I don't withdraw any portion of it and your last and previous postings did not do much to convience me.More over , it's of late i came to learn that you were the UDP representative of some sort. Had i known that before i would have even gone into some detail analysis of the party and personalities behind it.
You see my brother,you mentioned political tolerance,but you don't seem to understand what that means or have totally disregarded it while responding to me.Now it is my turn to appeal for political tolerance.We must all understand that the Gambia belongs to all of us and we all have our rights to different believes,different political linnings etc etc.As democrats,we must accept and propagate for the rule of law.Eventhough one does not support the President,but the fact that he is democratically elected,must be admitted and respected as the choice of the majority.My brother,wheather you like it or not this is the choice of the vast majority of the Gambian people.They said No to Sidia,Ousainou and Amat.Until this process is reversed by the people who mandated him,all what you and i can do in conformity with the democratic constitutional demands and order is to enlighten the people on their choice.Is this difficult to understand and admitt?Does this call/appeal makes me an agent of President Jammeh,eventhough i made mention of Notorious Jammeh and Notorious Jawara in my last posting?Brother Mballow,i have nothing to tell you about who i am ,but a few.I am ALLERGIC to SHORT SIGHTEDNESS.I am not a false person and not hypocritical in nature.I am only trying to be realistic and fair.I fear nothing and a humanbeing is just a humanbeing under my eyes,President or Farmer alike,rich or poor.I have no cause to be a hypocrite,as i am contended with my living.Jammeh is a disgrace to the Gambian youth.He is not the least qualified to spearhead the Gambia(not even with the minimum requirements),but this is the hard facts about Gambian Politic.Who knows how you would be if you were put there.Mr Mballow,i don't want to drag on this,history will judge us all.I am not a political prostitute.I have been actively opposed to Jawara and i am actively oppose to Jammeh.You can see the difference between these two Notorious leaders,but i don't.Here in lies the difference between you and me.My experience and realistic nature is making me belief that they are one and the same.Write all odds on Jammeh and replace his name with that of Jawara and tell me which one does not fit.Brother Mballow,let me just give you an unfortunate example.Brother Momodou Dumo Sarho who is surely falsely accused and detained for the first time under Jammeh,has been arrested and detained for nothing less than 10 times during Jawara's era-10 times is even to small,but i don't want to over exargerate.
My opinion is that the Gambia needs a total change and a clear break from her past and present.The demands are for a total change.For the mean time the country is just like an egg.If we are not careful with it,we will all end up loosing it.Somalia,Liberia and Sierra Leone are but a few living examples.How to avert such a missery is the collective responsibily of all genuine Gambians.We must learn to be responsible citizens.Far sightedness,sincerity and honesty is the calls and demands of today.We must accomplish our task of Nation building with minimum strain,damages and loses.
Mr Mballow,you got me wrong.My truthful nature(not self expression)seems to be beyond your bounds of reality.I am not a JOLA,i am a Baddibunka with family history connections in Kiang Batelling.If you know Gambia well,we don't need to discuss further on that.You called me a wolf in a sheep clothing,whatever that means does not burder me much.It just gives me an idea of who you are in person.I have no idea of who you are,and untill then i would reserve my opinions.
I am signing off this rather unfortunate exchange.No more reply even if you insult my mother.We might cross each others line on a different topic,until then accept my handshake as an extension of peace and love.My personal advice to you is to stick to a subject under review to avoid off-tracking.
LONG LIVE OUR BELOVETH NATION.
Greetings to everybody out there and don't give up the fight.
Praises are due to our ancestors!!
Landing Alkalo Sanyang.
----- Original Message -----
From: Saihou Mballow <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: SV: Re: SV: CALL FOR UNITY
> Mr.Sanyang,
> I must tell you that you are not seriously committed to this
> issue and not only that but you have proved yourself to be allergic to
> honesty and true by calling UDP a party of "destabilization,disorientation
> and is to induce violence in the people.
> Many people have tried before you to tarnish the image of the party but
> failed mercilessly as you are going to fail in this attempt.Your criticism
> is baseless,unfounded,unconstructive and lack objectivity.I have said it
> here that we welcome constructive criticism for it is my belief that any
> objective criticism is part of the exercise of democracy.Criticism becomes
> subversive only when it is covert,underhanded and destructive as your this
> case.
> It is record UDP is the only party that is not ready to negotiate for the
> rights of the Gambian people and that of our political rights.That is what
> made us a target of intimidation,arrest,harassment,torture and all kinds of
> humiliations punishment and degradation that even foreign colonization had
> not subjected the country to.All this so that we can politically be
> dormant.We say no,the party is dedicated to this struggle of the gambian
> people.We will fight against any form domination.We have cherished the ideal
> of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in
> harmony any with dignity.
> My brother,are you an agent of Jammeh to find ideal political arguments to
> castigate UDP party in defense of the dictator.Among these arguments stands
> out particularly your condemnation of UDP officials that you cannot justify
> why you are doing it hence,you are not an executive member of PDOIS and even
> those officials have not done so in this manner.Please,is this because you
> are a Jola and Yahya is Jola then if that is your reason better come out
> plain and stop falseness and hypocrisy of such and argument which you have
> repeated in many forms in this forum are evident to all who have not wished
> to betray the fundamental principle of unity.You are wolf in sheep clothing
> but you must come out plain if you want to take up this matter with me.
> UDP Opposition party is vigilant and unbending,that it not just satisfied
> with denouncing but with inflicting censure so that public moral could be
> maintained.We believe in writing letters to a civilize president but not a
> dictator who does not even open our letters.Therefore,we preferred to deal
> with him in the manner he understands.
> sanyang,i cannot imagine how you can compare Jawara's government and this
> criminal regime.Jammeh's corruption,misappropriation of funds,wanton
> killings and embezzlement have reached their peak.the destruction caused by
> Jammeh is incalculable.
> i only hope you are not personalizing this issue as the president being a
> Jola and you as well.I am saying this because in your posting,you mentioned
> "PPP built a tribal or ethnic group inclination to fool the mandingo
> speaking people and established himself and UDP,NRP and APRC are including
> in to the same dirty card game" why not you say Jammeh because all the three
> Foni constituencies, he went unopposed and we all know why.That has never
> happen in the era of the PPP.We used to see PPP been challenged in ever
> corner in the country therefore, Jammeh is best person to take that ticket
> of tribalism.
> taking all this into account,i wish to reaffirm UDP opposition to
> violence,and our believe in the possibility of finding,in talking mutual
> respect,peaceful solution which can safeguard national unity,nation
> peace,the integrity of our territory and especially solution which favour
> and stimulate feeling of brotherhood without which it is impossible to build
> this great nation.
> finally,the need to unite the people of this country is as important a task
> now as it always has been.No individual leader is able to take on this
> enormous task on his or her own.
>
> May God,the Almighty,bless our nation.
> saihou
>
>
> >From: landing sanyang <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: SV: Re: SV: CALL FOR UNITY
> >Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:22:46 +0200
> >
> >Mr Mballow,
> > I thank you for your response on my reflection on your
> >UNITY CALL,and being distracted by your response i would still refer you to
> >my previous writting for a fair treatment of my
> >questions,doubts,observations and proposals.Nevertheless,i would respond to
> >your recent posting, which to my opinion is diffuse and distracts us from
> >the nucleous of the subject matter : CALL FOR UNITY.
> > To be candid with you,your first paragraph up to the
> >naming of Mandela,N'krumah and W.E.B Dubois is not comprehended and i defer
> >from commenting on it.
> > You wrote:"I believed unity is guided by the values/degree of
> >sacrifice.Unless we sacrifice our grievances for national unity,there
> >cannot be any meningful political progress in the Gambia".
> > The question now arises-what is meant by national unity in the
> >contest of our discussion, does National unity mean uniting U.D.P,N.R.P and
> >P.D.O.I.S,only to exclude A.P.R.C?Are members of the A.P.R.C not
> >citizens?How can we forge a national unity only to exclude a cross section
> >of Gambian citizens?What type of national unity is that and in whose
> >interest?You see my brother,every situation and circumstance demands it's
> >own way of dealing with it,and so are the words and rethorics we use to
> >bring forward our calls.National unity is not what is in focus in our
> >discussion,but a coalition of opposition parties for a specific
> >objective.Refering you to my previous posting,the question of what comes
> >next immidiately comes in focus and needs to be answered by you,before we
> >can move forward.Are we going to move two steps forward only to move one
> >step backward?Is this a positive developmental pattern or receipt for any
> >nation?You can please expand on this idea and line of thought.Unity at what
> >cost?Are we to unite only to later disintegrate?What is going to be the
> >bases of the unity and prerequisite for patnership?what are the
> >conditionalities that would ensure a trustworthy and strong coalition?All
> >these are points you need to expand on.I don't think this call is what is
> >urgent in the Gambia today.It can end up doing more harm than good.
> > Mr Mballow,you began your forth paragraph with these words."All of
> >us know that our country is small to fight ourselves".That's right my
> >brother and i am begging you to educate the A.P.R.C and U.D.P on that.They
> >are the parties that are bent on dividing the people in persuit of their
> >political ego,stagnating the progressive attempt of nation builing.After
> >thirty years or so of the Gambia's independence,we are still unable to
> >build a nation free from tribal or ethnic group inclanation.The P.P.P did
> >it to fool the Mandingo speaking people and established herself and the
> >U.D.P,N.R.Pand the A,P,R.C are indulging into the same dirty card game.This
> >is one of the problems of our nation state and how to reverse it is
> >everybodies duty.Our Political parties should lead with exemplary
> >character,to free the minds of the people from such social odds and take up
> >issues of national relevances with them.If you deny opposing Jammeh because
> >he is a Jola ,educate Lamin Waa Juwara and the like to withdraw their
> >publicly known statements and desist from the politics of national
> >disintegration.My point on the formation of new parties is totally
> >misconcieved by you and i wish to refer you to my previous posting.
> > Mr Mballow wrote in connection to my point concerning the formation
> >of new parties as thus:"No body owns the people therefore,they will choose
> >to do what ever they feel like is good for them".Well Mr Mballow,this is
> >what democracy is all about.It is one of the fundamental pillars of
> >democracy,which all those who see themselves as genuine democrats must
> >cherish.We must live to respect the will of the people.I would like to in
> >conjunction to this piecemeal,leave a message to fellow citizens on the
> >NET.Under whatever circumstances,we must cherish democratic principles as a
> >guide to our National goal.We must respect the will of the majority of the
> >Gambian people and try to enlighten them on their choice to effect a better
> >change.We cannot go to teach our people hatred and violence just to get to
> >the political office.As Mr Mballow rightly mentioned himself,all we need
> >today is political tolerant,political development and peace,and i would add
> >that everything else will follow suit.
> > Mr Mballow,your reservation on some of my points raised concerning
> >Notorious Jawara and the PPP,Notorious Jammeh and the APRC,UDP and NRP
> >could be fatal to the subject under discussion.It is important to treat it
> >well,as it could be a bases for a meaningful unity.
> > You mentioned in your reply:"For the UDP party to keep up the
> >momentum of political education and mobilization the party is under
> >obligation to meet the people countrywide and discuss with them their
> >matters of concern".This statement of yours in my humble opinion should
> >have been written as thus:For the U.D.P party to keep the momentum of
> >political distabilisation,disorientation and to induce violence in the
> >people,the party is under obligation to meet the people countrywide and
> >discuss tribalism and hatred for the Jola speaking people.
> > Mr Mballow,for a party to bear the name democratic does not
> >necessarily make it democratic,and as such to my believe the name of the
> >U.D.P does not correspond to her actions and that makes her even more
> >unreliable.This is my humble opinion on U.D.P .
> > I am stopping here until i hear from you and i am sorry if i
> >sound provocative at any stage of my response.
> > Greetings to everybody out there and don't give up the fight.
> >
> >Praises are due to our ancestors!!
> >Landing Alkalo Sanyang.
> >
> >
> > Original Message ---
> >From: Saihou Mballow <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 2:05 AM
> >Subject: Re: SV: CALL FOR UNITY
> >
> >
> > > Mr. Sanyang,
> > > I will first take this opportunity to thank you for your promptly,and
> > > soberly response to my call for unity.
> > > Party to unite with a party or individual does not mean cowardice or a
> >you
> > > will belittled,and unity is virtue seen only in gentle w/men of high
> > > integrity,true,honest,patriotism and courage;to name few great leaders
> >like
> > > Nelson Mandela,Nkrumah and W.E.B.Du Bois.
> > > I believed,unity is guided by the values of sacrifice.Unless we
> >sacrifice
> > > our grievances for national unity,there cannot be any meaningful
> >political
> > > progress in The Gambia.The best people,i believe who could foster
> >national
> > > unity are people like you and others.
> > > All of us know that our country is small to fight ourselves or bring
> > > divisions among ourselves.This is among the reasons,why many of us feel
> > > Jammeh's despotic regime is unacceptable.Jammeh being a Jola do not make
> >us
> > > to challenge him but we are challenging him because of his bad
> > > administrative policies and his dictatorial behavior towards the public.
> > > you mentioned that "where were all the advocates of today unity
> >call,when
> > > new parties like NRP and UDP where established".Are you making this
> > > statement just to provoke? because you might be fully aware that a small
> > > country Guinea Bissau was able to have more than eight parties why not
> > > Gambia.Democracy calls for an establishment of multiparties.After the
> > > lifting of the ban on party politics in The Gambia in 1996,PDOIS
> >continued
> > > their own programmed and other new parties as you rightly mentioned NRP
> >and
> > > UDP were formed.Then why can you reexamine the reason why Gambians still
> > > didn't support PDOIS but rather opted for the establishment of new
> >parties.I
> > > believed this is what you should be working on but not to question why
> >New
> > > parties came in to existence.No body owns the people therefore,they will
> > > choose to do what ever they feel like is good for them.The electorates
> > > choosed to form NRP and UDP parties but not the officials because party
> > > official alone cannot form a credible political party.these are are
> >among
> > > the reasons why within short period,they were able to get score what
> >they
> > > scored in the last elections.
> > > Even you and any body can establish a political party IF you have the
> > > support of the electorates.What you need to do is to send a written
> > > application of your political party to the Independent Electoral
> >commission
> > > if the the commission is satisfied that:
> > > [1] the purposes and actions of your political party do not contravene
> >or
> > > are not in consistent with the constitution.
> > > [2]the application shall be accompanied by your political party's
> > > constitutions;
> > > [3] your political party;s name and fully address;
> > > [4]the names and address of all the registered officers of the political
> > > party whose names appear in the registration of voters to the effect
> >that
> > > such votes support the registration of the political party you seek to
> > > register as a political party.The above mentioned is just a few samples
> >i
> > > named.
> > > Mr.. Sanyang all we need today is political tolerant,political
> >development
> > > and peace.We should always bear one thing in our minds that this
> >"Bantaba"
> > > is not a political rally, but a forum of concerned citizens to discuss
> >very
> > > important national issues and how to bring about a democratic Gambia.I
> >trust
> > > you,with your maturity,sense of responsibility and patriotism,you will
> > > continue to discuss with me this important issue genuinely and sincerely
> > > outlining what your views are about unity and how to achieve it,but not
> >to
> > > allow anybody to make this issue a castigation exercise.
> > > On the issue of comparative between Jawara's Government and any other
> > > Government or party,i will reserve my opinion in my this call for
> >unity.I
> > > might come to that in an other issue but not in this particular issue.
> > > For the UDP party to keep up the momentum of political education and
> > > mobilization the party is under obligation to meet the people
> >countrywide
> > > and discuss with them their matters of concern.
> > > As the name applies,United Democratic Party is a democratic party
> > > therefore,we welcome any fruitful criticism and good advise.
> > > Finally,UDP is committed to democracy.
> > >
> > > May God,The Almighty,bless our nation.
> > > Saihou
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: landing sanyang <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: SV: CALL FOR UNITY
> > > >Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:23:20 +0200
> > > >
> > > >Mr Mballow,
> > > >
> > > >I definately respect your call and concern over the Unity of our
> > > >opposition in addressing our short term aim of removing President
> >Jammeh
> > > >from office,but at the same time am deeply worried about what the next
> > > >phase is going to entail(the long term aim).LOOKING closing to the
> > > >individuals behind the opposition parties,one could see a clear cut
> > > >difference in personality and believes,which is reflected on their
> >parties
> > > >policy documents,from which strategies and tactics are developed.In
> >other
> > > >words,the call is calling for the abandoning of all what the different
> > > >Parties believed in,just for a single objective of removing Jammeh from
> >his
> > > >entrusted seat.My first question to myself is:Is this a genuine
> >call?Where
> > > >were all the advocates of todays Unity call,when new parties like UDP
> >and
> > > >NRP were establish?Why didn't they raised their voices to say AH,AH,the
> > > >Gambia does not need a new opposition,that would only make the work
> > > >difficult and throw our people off the course,and make them ever more
> > > >confused than they have ever been before.The opposition idea was
> >welcomed
> > > >by people who do not see PDOIS as a viable opposition they could rely
> >on.
> > > >
> > > >Yes brother mballow,Unity to get rid of Jammeh is necessary,but at what
> > > >cost?How is it going to be organised and who is to take the lead?How is
> > > >Gambia going to be like after Jammeh?Are we going to bring Notorious
> >Jawara
> > > >back to accomplish his mission?Have we not learned all our lessens as
> > > >yet?Is Jammeh not accomplishing Jawara's mission?Don't we see that
> >there
> > > >are more semilarities between Jammeh and Jawara than the
> >differences.What
> > > >about UDP?What difference do they make from Jammeh and Jawara.Educate
> >me on
> > > >that.
> > > >
> > > >By the way,why can't we call for the merger of APRC,UDP and NRP.Think
> >about
> > > >it .Just a reflection.
> > > >As the discussion continues,i would surely have time to empty my
> >thoughts
> > > >on this useful discussion of National Importances.
> > > >
> > > >Greetings to everybody out there and never give up the fight.Stay on
> > > >course.
> > > >Praises are due to our ancestor!!
> > > >Landing Alkalo Sanyang.
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: Saihou Mballow <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 12:05 PM
> > > >Subject: CALL FOR UNITY
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Members,
> > > > > PLEASE,Let's demonstrate to the whole world that we are matured
> >people
> > > >and
> > > > > are united in the sense that all of us here do not want the current
> > > > > electrifying bully and violence in the country.
> > > > > Many believed that through this G-L,Gambians especially abroad will
> >be
> > > > > united contribute fruitfully to the current political situation.
> > > > > We have to bear one thing in our minds that who ever is a member of
> >this
> > > > > list can read and write therefore,can use any abusive language on
> >any
> > > >body
> > > > > if s/he wishes but that is not the reason why we came together.
> > > > > I am not saying this because i want every one to support UDP,No.No
> >body
> > > >can
> > > > > force a person to support any party that s/he does not like.As the
> > > >saying
> > > > > goes, you can force a cow to go up to the river but you cannot force
> >it
> > > >to
> > > > > drink.
> > > > > If we want any body to respect our course,we have to respect the
> >leaders
> > > >of
> > > > > these three opposition parties that is UDP,PDOIS and NRP.We have to
> >call
> > > >for
> > > > > unity among these three parties.We can engage on a fruitful debate
> > > >without
> > > > > disrespecting each other.
> > > > > In fact, all what politicians can do is to present their programmes
> >to
> > > >the
> > > > > electorates and that's it then it is left to the people to accept
> >them
> > > >or
> > > > > reject them.
> > > > > Particularly the argument between Saul and Ebou,i appeal to both of
> >you
> > > >to
> > > > > rest this case and maintain respect between the two of you.
> > > > > If i hurt anybody,am sorry.
> > > > > The struggle continues.
> > > > > Saihou
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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