Omar,
You have asked me a very difficult question, but please give me some time to
try to answer it. The mother of all the above mentioned is good conduct and
honesty. We were brought up in a society, where all the above mentioned are
part of our culture. But unfortunately everything disappeared when the "
Ngirroh "
started in the early 70s, and then grugde / hatred emerged against one
another. The lack of the above mentioned brought us up to where we are
today. Omar this is a very important subject, and I think we should invite
all the G-Lers to throw the few cents / Kr. etc on this debate.We really
have a PROBLEM to solve!
Uncle Mustapha
----- Original Message -----
From: "omar joof" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: For Joe Sambou!
> Uncle Mustapha,
> Although I wish us to dispel the recriminatory tone of our discussions, I
> wish the discussion itself to continue because, some of us are really
> baffled by how rich a few in our midst have become, while the overall
> welfare of the majority of our citizenry have deteriorated from 1965 to
> date. In this connection, I would like you to kindly discuss the virtues
of
> " Jomm" ," Kersa",and " Faida" on one hand and "Coolareh/woolareh" on the
> other. How significant were these virtues in shaping the conduct of public
> officials in the discharge of their duties in the past (before 1965), and
> how relevant are they to the quest for transparency,accountability and
> probity in contemporary Gambian society?
> I would like you or anyone else who understands both English and wollof
> better than I , to help with the correct English translations of the
> terms/words mentioned above. This I believe is necessary to get as many of
> us as possible involved in the discussion.
> Omar Joof.
>
>
> >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: For Joe Sambou!
> >Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 09:45:41 +0200
> >
> >Joe,
> >I did not have much time to go over all my past mails, but please check
my
> >mails dated as follow-
> >
> >1. 30 / 06 / 2000 - 02 / 07 / 2000 ( on the Darboe murder case )
> >
> >2. 22 / 07 2000 ( on the Dumo case ) I remember even writing a letter to
> >Annika ( Dumo`s wife ).
> >
> >3. 25 / 07 / 2000 ( on the Makalo case )
> >
> >Chi Jaama
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 11:03 PM
> >Subject: Re: Sillah Bai Fired
> >
> >
> > > Elhajj, when you stop propping up your friends and relatives at the
> >expense
> > > of Gambia. :-)! I am just curious, why do you always pop up to defend
> >this
> > > and that Gambian that is accused of something, by ordinary Gambians?
> > > However, I do not hear you come out and defend those that are falsely
> > > accused by the regime, you know, like Darbo in his murder frame up, or
> > > Dumo's treason frame up, etc. Or, do you do that just for the
selected
> >few
> > > that are near and dear to your heart? I know you know about the
arrest
> >of
> > > Waa and others, please surprise us and vouch for them. Or is it that
> >you
> > > only defend the "Ndongo Banjul". Bro, it is nepotism that brought us
to
> > > where we are and the least you can do is join Gambians to stamp it out
> >and
> > > not foster it. I hope you are not making a mockery of the call for
mass
> > > action? Because that would have been a low blow from one who should
set
> >an
> > > example for the young ones. Thanks for reminding me that you are not
an
> > > APRC supporter. How do you then explain the fact that nearly all that
> >you
> > > come to vouch for were with this regime and have been fired or
> >absconded?
> > > How?
> > >
> > > Chi Jaama
> > >
> > > Joe Sambou
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: Re: Sillah Bai Fired
> > > >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:15:53 +0200
> > > >
> > > >Joe,
> > > >Thanks for putting me and others to order. Keep up the good job! When
> >will
> > > >you go and lead the mass demonstration?
> > > >
> > > >Chi Jaama
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:02 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: Sillah Bai Fired
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Ooh Elhajj, not again! You continue to say the same things and
> >still
> > > >none
> > > > > takes it seriously. Are you defending folks because they are your
> > > >friends
> > > > > or relatives or do you know that for a fact? Remember, myself and
> >Yus
> > > >went
> > > > > this route with you in the case of Ebou Jallow and you swore up
and
> >down
> > > > > about his goodness and kindness and flatly ignore that he stole
from
> > > > > Gambians. Sillah Bai is among the silent benefactors during the
> >Jawara
> > > >era
> > > > > and then some during his short tennure with our current criminal,
> >Yaya,
> > > >and
> > > > > we are going to talk about it. I know you're going to come back
> > > >swinging
> > > > > but that will not stop any from calling you to order. Anyway,
> >welcome
> > > >back.
> > > > > Some things never change.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chi Jaama
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe Sambou
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > > > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > >Subject: Re: Sillah Bai Fired
> > > > > >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 06:11:12 +0200
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Pateh & Omar,
> > > > > >I still standby my words, that I was aware of Sillah Bai selling
> >his
> > > > > >propety
> > > > > >to start his business in the early 90s, and that he is an
outspoken
> > > >man.
> > > >I
> > > > > >am not a supporter of the APRC, but nobody will force me to lie
> >against
> > > > > >people or personally attack people, without genuine facts. Do you
> >want
> > > >us
> > > > > >to
> > > > > >hate our relatives / brothers and sisters because they are
working
> >for
> > > >the
> > > > > >Jammeh regime? Omar, are you serious that people started getting
> >their
> > > >"
> > > > > >ill-gotten gains " during the APRC regime? Pateh, maybe Sillah
Bai
> >and
> > > > > >Balla
> > > > > >Gaye can tell you why they accepted their Ministerial posts from
> >Yaya
> > > > > >Jammeh. I, for one, have never taken my share of the cake.
> >Brothers,
> >I
> > > > > >understand your positions and anger towards the Jammeh regime,
but
> >let
> > > >us
> > > > > >be
> > > > > >real and accept other people`s views, when they are saying the
> >truth.
> > > >Once
> > > > > >again, I am still confirming Sheikh Tejan Nyang`s story about
> >Sillah
> > > >Bai.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "omar joof" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > >Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:54 AM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: Sillah Bai Fired
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pateh,
> > > > > > > I earnestly agree with you. As the saying goes " in the Gambia
> >even
> > > >if
> > > > > >one
> > > > > > > says something in a house without doors and windows, it finds
> >its
> > > >way
> > > > > >out".
> > > > > > > Corruption has eaten the fabric of our society so much that
> >people
> > > >dont
> > > > > > > worry any more about "ill-gotten gains". It is a shame to see
> >some
> > > >of
> > > >us
> > > > > > > praising persons who have put their long fingers into public
> >coffers
> > > >and
> > > > > > > made away with the poor tax payers money.
> > > > > > > Once upon a time in the Gambia, some parents would not allow
you
> >to
> > > > > >marry
> > > > > > > their daughter unless they know that you are an employee of
> >certain
> > > > > > > departments or parastatals. And it happends that these are the
> >work
> > > > > >places
> > > > > > > at which employees by virtue of their nature of work, are
abled
> >to
> > > > > >access
> > > > > > > money besides their rightful monthly earnings and allowances.
> >As
> >a
> > > > > >nation,
> > > > > > > we must build a culture of truthfulness and honesty and at all
> >times
> > > > > > > disassociating ourselves from criminal and immoral acts. We
must
> > > > > >distinquish
> > > > > > > between the good and evil so as to reinforce the former and do
> >our
> > > >best
> > > > > >to
> > > > > > > discourage the latter. Our inability in both the past and
> >present
> >to
> > > > > > > effectively discriminate between the good and evil has cost us
> > > >dearly,
> > > > > >and
> > > > > > > unless we are abled as a nation to make a determined efford
> >against
> > > > > > > corruption, our development effords will continue to be
> >undermined
> >,
> > > > > > > notwithstanding which party you have in power. I am at pains
to
> >say
> > > > > >this,
> > > > > > > but I am convinced that this loud, lousy and greedy bunch of
> > > >politicians
> > > > > >we
> > > > > > > have in our country is without doubt a product of our own
> >inability
> > > >to
> > > > > > > promote good and stamp out evil.
> > > > > > > Folks, lets be serious, if anyone of us becomes a millionaire
> >over
> > > > > >night,
> > > > > > > sure we all will know if the person got the money legally or
> >merits
> > > >it.
> > > > > > > Omar Joof.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: Pateh Sowe <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > > > > > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Sillah Bai Fired
> > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 04:57:22 -0700
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >If Sillah Bai was outspoken,honest, better off as some
> > > > > > > >people are saying, why should he accept the ministrial
> > > > > > > >post.As he definitely knows that Jammeh is corrupt.
> > > > > > > >There are some gambians whom jammeh approach for such
> > > > > > > >positions and they refuse. Why can Sillah Bai did the
> > > > > > > >same. Look Gambia belongs to all of us and we all know
> > > > > > > > what is going on.As before there are so many vous in
> > > > > > > >the Gambia and normally they meet on fridays,
> > > > > > > >saturdays or sundays and the discussion is anybody
> > > > > > > >jammeh approach for a postion take it annd get your
> > > > > > > >share of the cake before you are fired.We are all our
> > > > > > > >aware that Balla Gaye is among the richest Gambian
> > > > > > > >civil servants and why did he accept the post? Is the
> > > > > > > >same to get his share of the cake.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >--- Elhajj Mustapha Fye
> > > > > > > ><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Bro Sheikh,
> > > > > > > > > You are right! I remember discussing with Sillah Bai
> > > > > > > > > and late Alh Abu sallah
> > > > > > > > > at our " Mousanteh Banda " at Wellington St. about
> > > > > > > > > the sold of his property
> > > > > > > > > to start his business in the early 90s. I also agree
> > > > > > > > > with you that he is a
> > > > > > > > > very outspoken person, who has no fear to say the
> > > > > > > > > truth. I am not supporting
> > > > > > > > > the APRC, but we should be careful not to personally
> > > > > > > > > attack people, without
> > > > > > > > > concrete facts. As you know, I was in Dakar with my
> > > > > > > > > family for two months,
> > > > > > > > > without going to Gambia. Infact I made a big " Samba
> > > > > > > > > Soho " with Musa Ngum,
> > > > > > > > > Dial Mbaye and Libidorr at the YENGOULENE NIGHT CLUB
> > > > > > > > > at Nord Foire. We are
> > > > > > > > > editing the video cassette, so that I can put it in
> > > > > > > > > the Libidorr Website. I
> > > > > > > > > will let you know, when it`s ready.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > > > Elhadj Tapha.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Sheikh Tejan" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:28 AM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Sillah Bai Fired
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ebrima!s source got it all wrong . Sillah Bai
> > > > > > > > > acquired all his
> > > > > > > > > > properties legally during the old regime. Ebrima
> > > > > > > > > himself can confirm
> > > > > > > > > > that silleh sold his valuable property to start
> > > > > > > > > his business in the
> > > > > > > > > > tourist industry first by acquiring a boat call
> > > > > > > > > Jatou 1 and Jatou 2 .At
> > > > > > > > > > that time only Silleh and Gambia River Company
> > > > > > > > > operated by Pater and
> > > > > > > > > > Monicka were in this business which was very
> > > > > > > > > lucrative. Let me also
> > > > > > > > > > confirm that Silleh was very outspoken during his
> > > > > > > > > tenure at the National
> > > > > > > > > > Investment Board and his voice was had in all the
> > > > > > > > > boards that he
> > > > > > > > > > represented NIB. He made many enemies because of
> > > > > > > > > his anti corruption
> > > > > > > > > > campaign and went as far as pointing fingers at
> > > > > > > > > those who were corrupt
> > > > > > > > > > and no one has ever pointed a finger at him . That
> > > > > > > > > shows you the type of
> > > > > > > > > > guy he is .As i said earlier ,Ebrima is a good
> > > > > > > > > friend of Silleh and can
> > > > > > > > > > testify to these facts.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Chi Jamma ,
> > > > > > > > > > Bro Sheikh Tejan
> > > > > > > > > > TOMBONG SAIDY wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ebrima Ceessay,You back again with your
> > > > > > > > > so-called sources. Your
> > > > > > > > > > > source is misleading you again. Lang Tombong is
> > > > > > > > > in town and has not
> > > > > > > > > > > gone any where. Why would Lang Tombong flee
> > > > > > > > > anyway? If Sillah Bai was
> > > > > > > > > > > sacked because he bribed Yankuba Touray, why
> > > > > > > > > then is Yankuba not
> > > > > > > > > > > sacked? Try to verify any information from your
> > > > > > > > > so-called sources
> > > > > > > > > > > before forwarding it to the L.Your sources are
> > > > > > > > > not reliable afterall.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > PEACE
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tombong
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >From: Ebrima Ceesay
> > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing
> > > > > > > > > list
> > > > > > > > > > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Sillah Bai Fired
> > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:33:51 +0000
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Readers:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Another e-mail from one of my sources in The
> > > > > > > > > Gambia.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Ebrima
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > >
>_____________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>Subject: Re: Sillah Bai Fired
> > > > > > > > > > > >>Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:30:47 +0000
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>Coach,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>The reasons for the arrests are, as usual, not
> > > > > > > > > clear. However,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>according
> > > > > > > > > > > >>to .........., whom I spoke with a few minutes
> > > > > > > > > ago, they have been
> > > > > > > > > > > >>alerted
> > > > > > > > > > > >>that they could be next. So far, as far as I
> > > > > > > > > am aware, Waa Juwara,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>M.C.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>and 16 others are thus far under security
> > > > > > > > > custody. The wave will
> > > > > > > > > > > >>continue
> > > > > > > > > > > >>in the next few days.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>I will keep you posted as the story unfolds.
> > > > > > > > > The situation is too
> > > > > > > > > > > >>volatile
> > > > > > > > > > > >>for Lang Conteh who has fled to Dakar on
> > > > > > > > > Friday. Lang Lang Tombong
> > > > > > > > > > > >>Tamba,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>meanwhile, has fled to the US, according to
> > > > > > > > > reliable sources.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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