Mr. Sanneh,
I have never had any wish to engage you and never have because I know you
lack the wherewithal to grapple with the simplest of issues.
Kabir.
On 9/25/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Kabir
> With your age and respect I did not want to continue with your nonsense.
> This is an open forum to agree and disagree period.
>
> Kabir Njaay <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Mr Sanneh,
>
> Who invited you to a debate? You jumped from nowhere with your incoherent
> ramblings regurgitating as usual terms that you don't understand... Who
> cares how long you have been here or elsewhere for that matter or what you
> have done since 1980?
>
> It was tribal opportunism and reaction that bungled Gambians' chance to
> usher in a new era. So you can shout your mumbo jumbo from the top of your
> voice whenever you happen to stumble upon a computer or engage in other
> forms of escapades. It will all amount to naught!
>
> Kabir.
>
>
> On 9/25/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH wrote:
> >
> > Kabir
> > You have a right to your own conscience. if you think I am regurgitating
> > BBC or ITN news stuff about the state of matters in Zimbabawe take it.
> You
> > are wrong and I don't subscribe the political economic of the media for
> > manafacturing my conscience about issues. For your clarafication I do
> not
> > also think that the internet is what will remove Yaya Jammeh. Getting on
> to
> > 10 years a go since I subscribe to this forum, its essence is to discuss
> > Gambia and related matters. I think the situation in Zimbabawe is almosr
> > related to Gambia and we have put two situation into perspective.Kabir I
> > am active on Gambian issues before Yaya Jammeh in the late 1980 as a
> student
> > in the Gambia and will alway remain so. The essence of the forum is to
> agree
> > and disagree on matters, just like you similar the outrage in Zimbabawe
> so
> > is Gambia
> >
> > Kabir Njaay wrote:
> > Mr. Sanneh,
> >
> > To me you seem to be confused about issues you are trying to deal with
> and
> > are doing nothing other than regurgitating BBC and ITN 'news' stuff.
> What
> > rambling on about has little connection with the contents of piece you
> are
> > responding to.
> >
> > Besides, if you think incoherent rambling on the Internet is what will
> > remove Jammeh he will be there for a long time to come.
> >
> > Kabir.
> >
> > On 9/24/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH wrote:
> > >
> > > > Kabirr,
> > > > Do the policy of land reform help the average man in the street? If
> > they
> > > > take land from the white farms whom do they give it? Is it
> progressive
> > > farmer who
> > > > is MDC supporter or useless farmer who ZANUPF?To Focus your utopian
> > Pan
> > > African
> > > > liberation on Zimbabwe for me is so outagerouswhen your country is
> > > facing a similar situation like Zimbabwe. It is economic policy is
> > > neaoliberal which I hope youdo not
> > > > subscribe to.Thanks alway do not proof read and will do on this
> matter
> > > for the interest of the debate. Have a good day!
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Kabir Njaay wrote: Mr Sanneh,
> > >
> > > Please proof read before you send. I don't have a clue what you are
> > > talking
> > > about.
> > >
> > > Kabir.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/24/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Kabirr,
> > > > Do the policy of land reform help the average man in the street? If
> > they
> > > > take land from the white farms whom do they give it to progressive
> > farm
> > > who
> > > > is MDC supporter useless farmer ZANUPF. Focing your utopian Pan
> > African
> > > > liberation on Zimbabwe for me is so outagerous. Why are you not
> > > dialecting
> > > > on your backyield.Gambia which you are born is having a similar
> > > situation
> > > > like Zimbbwe. It is economic policy is neaoliberal which I hope
> youdo
> > > not
> > > > subscribe to.
> > > >
> > > > Kabir Njaay wrote:
> > > > Mr Sanneh,
> > > >
> > > > I guess you are free to go and remove Mugabe at your convenience
> since
> > > you
> > > > are so passionate about it!
> > > >
> > > > I don't know where you got your Black against White from but what
> > > > progressive Africans have been saying all along it that the conflict
> > is
> > > > about the Land Reform. It is Britain and Tony Blair and now Gordon
> > Brown
> > > > that made it a Black against White issue when they mobilised their
> > White
> > > > Breathen all over the world to strangulate Zimbabwe.
> > > >
> > > > Kabir.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 9/24/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Kabir
> > > > > Thanks for the forward. The situation in Zimbabwe is also view by
> > > > > so-called African liberationist as Black against white or western
> > > > > imperlialism. Damn it, I do not subscribe that sensational views
> any
> > > > more.
> > > > > Mugage should go period and so is Africa do away with all forms of
> > > > > dictatorship. It is a fact that western interest in Zimbabwe is
> > narrow
> > > > their
> > > > > commitment other countries facing a similar problem like Zimbabwe.
> > > What
> > > > is
> > > > > that problem corrupt, human rights violation, state
> criminalisation,
> > > > lack of
> > > > > rule of law and democracy, deapair and hopelessness. The problem
> in
> > > > Zimbabwe
> > > > > is far from racism. With human suffering in the name of liberation
> > in
> > > > that
> > > > > country is the classical case of intellectual dishonest one cannot
> > > > imagine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kabir Njaay wrote:
> > > > > Zimbabwe: Outrage Intensifies Over Brown's Threat
> > > > >
> > > > > Posted: Saturday, September 22, 2007
> > > > >
> > > > > By Bulawayo Bureau
> > > > >
> > > > > September 22, 2007
> > > > >
> > > > > The Herald
> > > > >
> > > > > 'Arm-twisting not way to solve Zim's challenges' CONDEMNATION of
> > > British
> > > > > Prime Minister Gordon Brown over his threat to boycott the
> > Euro-Africa
> > > > > Summit if President Mugabe attends intensified yesterday.
> > > > >
> > > > > Amid growing international consensus that the conference must go
> > ahead
> > > > > even without Britain, the Pan-African Parliament said Mr Brown
> > should
> > > > desist
> > > > > from behaving like an overlord.
> > > > >
> > > > > In remarks that received worldwide coverage yesterday, Dr Gertrude
> > > > > Mongella, the Tanzanian president of the Pan-African Parliament,
> > said
> > > > > "arm-twisting" was not the way to solve Zimbabwe's challenges.
> > > > >
> > > > > Her comments reflect the determination of the African Union to go
> > > ahead
> > > > as
> > > > > planned and invite President Mugabe to the Euro-Africa summit in
> > > Lisbon,
> > > > > Portugal, in December.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dr Mongella, attending a conference with Socialist Members of the
> > > > European
> > > > > Parliament in Brussels, has made it clear that African solidarity
> > > might
> > > > > undermine Mr Brown's "him-or-me" challenge to the summit.
> > > > >
> > > > > "We do know there are some problems (in Zimbabwe), but if somebody
> > > wants
> > > > > to arm-twist Zimbabwe, that's not the best way to solve the
> > problems,"
> > > > she
> > > > > said.
> > > > >
> > > > > "I think this is again another way of manipulating Africa.
> Zimbabwe
> > is
> > > a
> > > > > nation which got independence. I think in the developed countries
> > > there
> > > > are
> > > > > so many countries doing things which not all of us subscribe to -
> we
> > > > have
> > > > > seen the Iraq war, not everyone accepts what is being done in
> Iraq."
> > > > >
> > > > > Dr Mongella urged all African and European leaders to go to the
> > summit
> > > -
> > > > > including Mr Brown - to join the talks to "meet, develop a very
> > > > committed
> > > > > dialogue to solve problems, rather than threatening each other by
> > > going
> > > > or
> > > > > not going".
> > > > >
> > > > > She said dialogue must be pursued to resolve any disputes.
> > > > >
> > > > > "I think if we want to move in the right direction, with the
> African
> > > way
> > > > > of doing things, you discuss things under a tree till you agree.
> So
> > if
> > > > > somebody does not come under a tree to discuss, that is not the
> > > African
> > > > way
> > > > > of doing things."
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr Brown was also condemned by Zimbabwe's Ambassador to the United
> > > > > Nations, Mr Boniface Chidyausiku, who said the prime minister had
> no
> > > > right
> > > > > to dictate who should be at the summit or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr Chidyausiku said President Mugabe had a sovereign right, like
> all
> > > > other
> > > > > African heads of state, to attend the Lisbon summit, adding that
> > > bigger
> > > > > issues affecting Africa should be prioritised.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr Chidyausiku's remarks follow almost similar sentiments by
> > > Portuguese
> > > > EU
> > > > > legislator Mr Paolo Casaca and the Southern African Development
> > > > Community
> > > > > chairman, President Levy Mwanawasa of Zambia, on Thursday.
> > > > >
> > > > > President Mwanawasa even countered Mr Brown with his own threat,
> > > saying
> > > > if
> > > > > President Mugabe is barred from attending the summit, Zambia and
> > > > probably
> > > > > other African leaders would not go to Lisbon.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr Louis Michel, the EU Commissioner for Aid and Development,
> > > signalled
> > > > Mr
> > > > > Brown's growing isolation, saying that one person cannot scuttle a
> > key
> > > > > summit between two continents.
> > > > >
> > > > > "We think that a single individual case cannot take as hostage the
> > > > > relations between two continents," said Mr Michel.
> > > > >
> > > > > He added that the European Commission would want the summit to go
> > > ahead
> > > > > regardless of Mr Brown's threat.
> > > > >
> > > > > Writing in a British newspaper, The Independent, on Thursday, Mr
> > Brown
> > > > > provoked sharp international criticism when he said he would
> boycott
> > > the
> > > > > Portugal summit - the first since 2000 - if President Mugabe
> > attends.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr Brown, like his predecessor Mr Tony Blair, claimed that the
> > > > Government
> > > > > had presided over the prevailing economic challenges, ignoring the
> > > > impact of
> > > > > illegal EU and American sanctions.
> > > > >
> > > > > He said the EU's five-year visa ban on President Mugabe must be
> > > enforced
> > > > > to ensure that he does not travel to Portugal.
> > > > >
> > > > > But Mr Michel said the ban does not apply to international
> meetings.
> > > > >
> > > > > "I expect it is possible to have a compromise, but if there is no
> > > > > compromise, what can you do? The only option I cannot accept is
> > > > suppressing
> > > > > the summit," he said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr Brown, who assumed office in June, is said to base his foreign
> > > policy
> > > > > on a series of anti-Zimbabwe reports aired by several British
> media
> > > > outlets,
> > > > > including the BBC and ITV News
> > > > >
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