LJ ,you know what ,i was just about to add my little and young voice to uncle kabir when you of all throw your heavy weight behind him .i thank the two of you.like a middle age nigerian man told me this last sunday on a car bout sale ,we all wanted to buy a discounted mandela book 'long walk to freedom for just one pound '. i took the book first ,but i show that he was coming for it ,i decided to hand it to him ,he politely decline ,he told me i wish many africans can know what is really at stake.this was a big word for me.we all know the united nations is united .
Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Kabir:
Yours is a critically educative and interesting perspective.
I continue to celebrate Mugabe's role in the fight against, and defeat of, white minority rule in Zimbabwe. He is the last of the great southern African liberators, that generation of fighters who made it to the very top in their various countries. Some of the others included Mandela of South Africa, Machel of Mozambique, Nujuma of South West Africa (Namibia), terrorists one and all, according to Thatcher and a succession of American presidents.
In a book on Africa's fifty years of independence, I read about Mugabe going to his mother and saying his goodbyes, telling her that he resolved to join the fighters in Mozambique, and that although he was not sure about surviving, he refused to live under white minority rule in Rhodesia. Unless we vainly search for purity in our political leaders, the man deserves celebration for helping end the tyranny of the minority in his homeland! The alternative was Bishop Musorewa and his ilk!
Although currently of the view that he overstayed his useful years, I do not understand this to constitute any disagreement with your perspective. Even here, the dilemma must be whether any successor of Mugabe could muster the requisite clout in credibly resolving the land dispute that is interwoven with municipal white brutality of epic proportions.
For the educated Zimbabwe watcher, the critical question is whether any credibility should be accorded the leaders of key anti-Mugabe countries like the USA, the UK, and Australia. In light of their own defacto domestic policies on race relations and equal opportunity, the answer has got to be negative. As their most testing assignment must be their individual and collective abilities to navigate the global scene, Africa's future leaders must open their eyes to the realities of international politics and its intersection with domestic race relations in so-called "key democracies".
On Zimbabwe, I do not think Africans should take lectures from the Anglo-Saxon tripartite of the USA, the UK, and Australia. This is not to say I do not wonder at the fantastic magic of the "rule of law" in these countries regarding matters touching on the white majority. We are simply incidental beneficiaries of the protection of the law, and even here the system routinely malfunctions with tragic consequences as in the case of the "Jena Six". And in the area of mainstream economic opportunity, the non-Caucasian is generally excluded.
In a 2006 speech I gave on comparative "Rule of Law" to a Gambian group in the UK, please refer to the excerpt below:
"For a dramatic demonstration of the rule of law in recent times, I suggest we foray into a systemic challenge to, and vindication of, the concept in the United States, that trail blazer jurisdiction of the all-encompassing principle of the sanctity of the human person. For the discernible student of modern international affairs - and we have many in this immediate audience and beyond - the United States stands for carnage and abuse. I accept the partial validity of any such observation, and for good measure, I readily concede that like our host nation, the United States stands legitimately accused of pervasive institutional racism against its non-Caucasian peoples. I am willing, at some future date, to discuss the institutional racism clearly prevalent in the United States, and the United Kingdom, in particular, and western liberal democracies, in general, but for present purposes, I am happy to confine my excitement to dilating on the critical significance of the rule
of law in public life."
I urge you to relentlessly continue your crusade for Pan African consciousness in that political Gambia must be educated about its salvation not residing in the British gathering of the Commonwealth of Nations, or the global gathering at the imperialist instrumentality of the United Nations, not to mention the Arab gathering at the Islamic Conference.
I agree that we must unshackle our minds, and thank you for your perspective!
LJDarbo
Kabir Njaay wrote:
Mr Sanneh,
Who invited you to a debate? You jumped from nowhere with your incoherent
ramblings regurgitating as usual terms that you don't understand... Who
cares how long you have been here or elsewhere for that matter or what you
have done since 1980?
It was tribal opportunism and reaction that bungled Gambians' chance to
usher in a new era. So you can shout your mumbo jumbo from the top of your
voice whenever you happen to stumble upon a computer or engage in other
forms of escapades. It will all amount to naught!
Kabir.
On 9/25/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH wrote:
>
> Kabir
> You have a right to your own conscience. if you think I am regurgitating
> BBC or ITN news stuff about the state of matters in Zimbabawe take it. You
> are wrong and I don't subscribe the political economic of the media for
> manafacturing my conscience about issues. For your clarafication I do not
> also think that the internet is what will remove Yaya Jammeh. Getting on to
> 10 years a go since I subscribe to this forum, its essence is to discuss
> Gambia and related matters. I think the situation in Zimbabawe is almosr
> related to Gambia and we have put two situation into perspective.Kabir I
> am active on Gambian issues before Yaya Jammeh in the late 1980 as a student
> in the Gambia and will alway remain so. The essence of the forum is to agree
> and disagree on matters, just like you similar the outrage in Zimbabawe so
> is Gambia
>
> Kabir Njaay wrote:
> Mr. Sanneh,
>
> To me you seem to be confused about issues you are trying to deal with and
> are doing nothing other than regurgitating BBC and ITN 'news' stuff. What
> rambling on about has little connection with the contents of piece you are
> responding to.
>
> Besides, if you think incoherent rambling on the Internet is what will
> remove Jammeh he will be there for a long time to come.
>
> Kabir.
>
> On 9/24/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH wrote:
> >
> > > Kabirr,
> > > Do the policy of land reform help the average man in the street? If
> they
> > > take land from the white farms whom do they give it? Is it progressive
> > farmer who
> > > is MDC supporter or useless farmer who ZANUPF?To Focus your utopian
> Pan
> > African
> > > liberation on Zimbabwe for me is so outagerouswhen your country is
> > facing a similar situation like Zimbabwe. It is economic policy is
> > neaoliberal which I hope youdo not
> > > subscribe to.Thanks alway do not proof read and will do on this matter
> > for the interest of the debate. Have a good day!
> > >
> >
> >
> > Kabir Njaay wrote: Mr Sanneh,
> >
> > Please proof read before you send. I don't have a clue what you are
> > talking
> > about.
> >
> > Kabir.
> >
> >
> > On 9/24/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH wrote:
> > >
> > > Kabirr,
> > > Do the policy of land reform help the average man in the street? If
> they
> > > take land from the white farms whom do they give it to progressive
> farm
> > who
> > > is MDC supporter useless farmer ZANUPF. Focing your utopian Pan
> African
> > > liberation on Zimbabwe for me is so outagerous. Why are you not
> > dialecting
> > > on your backyield.Gambia which you are born is having a similar
> > situation
> > > like Zimbbwe. It is economic policy is neaoliberal which I hope youdo
> > not
> > > subscribe to.
> > >
> > > Kabir Njaay wrote:
> > > Mr Sanneh,
> > >
> > > I guess you are free to go and remove Mugabe at your convenience since
> > you
> > > are so passionate about it!
> > >
> > > I don't know where you got your Black against White from but what
> > > progressive Africans have been saying all along it that the conflict
> is
> > > about the Land Reform. It is Britain and Tony Blair and now Gordon
> Brown
> > > that made it a Black against White issue when they mobilised their
> White
> > > Breathen all over the world to strangulate Zimbabwe.
> > >
> > > Kabir.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/24/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Kabir
> > > > Thanks for the forward. The situation in Zimbabwe is also view by
> > > > so-called African liberationist as Black against white or western
> > > > imperlialism. Damn it, I do not subscribe that sensational views any
> > > more.
> > > > Mugage should go period and so is Africa do away with all forms of
> > > > dictatorship. It is a fact that western interest in Zimbabwe is
> narrow
> > > their
> > > > commitment other countries facing a similar problem like Zimbabwe.
> > What
> > > is
> > > > that problem corrupt, human rights violation, state criminalisation,
> > > lack of
> > > > rule of law and democracy, deapair and hopelessness. The problem in
> > > Zimbabwe
> > > > is far from racism. With human suffering in the name of liberation
> in
> > > that
> > > > country is the classical case of intellectual dishonest one cannot
> > > imagine.
> > > >
> > > > Kabir Njaay wrote:
> > > > Zimbabwe: Outrage Intensifies Over Brown's Threat
> > > >
> > > > Posted: Saturday, September 22, 2007
> > > >
> > > > By Bulawayo Bureau
> > > >
> > > > September 22, 2007
> > > >
> > > > The Herald
> > > >
> > > > 'Arm-twisting not way to solve Zim's challenges' CONDEMNATION of
> > British
> > > > Prime Minister Gordon Brown over his threat to boycott the
> Euro-Africa
> > > > Summit if President Mugabe attends intensified yesterday.
> > > >
> > > > Amid growing international consensus that the conference must go
> ahead
> > > > even without Britain, the Pan-African Parliament said Mr Brown
> should
> > > desist
> > > > from behaving like an overlord.
> > > >
> > > > In remarks that received worldwide coverage yesterday, Dr Gertrude
> > > > Mongella, the Tanzanian president of the Pan-African Parliament,
> said
> > > > "arm-twisting" was not the way to solve Zimbabwe's challenges.
> > > >
> > > > Her comments reflect the determination of the African Union to go
> > ahead
> > > as
> > > > planned and invite President Mugabe to the Euro-Africa summit in
> > Lisbon,
> > > > Portugal, in December.
> > > >
> > > > Dr Mongella, attending a conference with Socialist Members of the
> > > European
> > > > Parliament in Brussels, has made it clear that African solidarity
> > might
> > > > undermine Mr Brown's "him-or-me" challenge to the summit.
> > > >
> > > > "We do know there are some problems (in Zimbabwe), but if somebody
> > wants
> > > > to arm-twist Zimbabwe, that's not the best way to solve the
> problems,"
> > > she
> > > > said.
> > > >
> > > > "I think this is again another way of manipulating Africa. Zimbabwe
> is
> > a
> > > > nation which got independence. I think in the developed countries
> > there
> > > are
> > > > so many countries doing things which not all of us subscribe to - we
> > > have
> > > > seen the Iraq war, not everyone accepts what is being done in Iraq."
> > > >
> > > > Dr Mongella urged all African and European leaders to go to the
> summit
> > -
> > > > including Mr Brown - to join the talks to "meet, develop a very
> > > committed
> > > > dialogue to solve problems, rather than threatening each other by
> > going
> > > or
> > > > not going".
> > > >
> > > > She said dialogue must be pursued to resolve any disputes.
> > > >
> > > > "I think if we want to move in the right direction, with the African
> > way
> > > > of doing things, you discuss things under a tree till you agree. So
> if
> > > > somebody does not come under a tree to discuss, that is not the
> > African
> > > way
> > > > of doing things."
> > > >
> > > > Mr Brown was also condemned by Zimbabwe's Ambassador to the United
> > > > Nations, Mr Boniface Chidyausiku, who said the prime minister had no
> > > right
> > > > to dictate who should be at the summit or not.
> > > >
> > > > Mr Chidyausiku said President Mugabe had a sovereign right, like all
> > > other
> > > > African heads of state, to attend the Lisbon summit, adding that
> > bigger
> > > > issues affecting Africa should be prioritised.
> > > >
> > > > Mr Chidyausiku's remarks follow almost similar sentiments by
> > Portuguese
> > > EU
> > > > legislator Mr Paolo Casaca and the Southern African Development
> > > Community
> > > > chairman, President Levy Mwanawasa of Zambia, on Thursday.
> > > >
> > > > President Mwanawasa even countered Mr Brown with his own threat,
> > saying
> > > if
> > > > President Mugabe is barred from attending the summit, Zambia and
> > > probably
> > > > other African leaders would not go to Lisbon.
> > > >
> > > > Mr Louis Michel, the EU Commissioner for Aid and Development,
> > signalled
> > > Mr
> > > > Brown's growing isolation, saying that one person cannot scuttle a
> key
> > > > summit between two continents.
> > > >
> > > > "We think that a single individual case cannot take as hostage the
> > > > relations between two continents," said Mr Michel.
> > > >
> > > > He added that the European Commission would want the summit to go
> > ahead
> > > > regardless of Mr Brown's threat.
> > > >
> > > > Writing in a British newspaper, The Independent, on Thursday, Mr
> Brown
> > > > provoked sharp international criticism when he said he would boycott
> > the
> > > > Portugal summit - the first since 2000 - if President Mugabe
> attends.
> > > >
> > > > Mr Brown, like his predecessor Mr Tony Blair, claimed that the
> > > Government
> > > > had presided over the prevailing economic challenges, ignoring the
> > > impact of
> > > > illegal EU and American sanctions.
> > > >
> > > > He said the EU's five-year visa ban on President Mugabe must be
> > enforced
> > > > to ensure that he does not travel to Portugal.
> > > >
> > > > But Mr Michel said the ban does not apply to international meetings.
> > > >
> > > > "I expect it is possible to have a compromise, but if there is no
> > > > compromise, what can you do? The only option I cannot accept is
> > > suppressing
> > > > the summit," he said.
> > > >
> > > > Mr Brown, who assumed office in June, is said to base his foreign
> > policy
> > > > on a series of anti-Zimbabwe reports aired by several British media
> > > outlets,
> > > > including the BBC and ITV News
> > > >
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