sister Jabou Thank you
like I told sister ginny it is my Pakistani next door neighbour Dr Khalid Shaukat who is both a scientist and a mathemethician
that is behind this group
I will cut and paste but please visit his websight
moonsighting.com for further details
he does the prayer calenders for almost all the muslim countries including the Gambia and usa
so my rationel is that if we accept the prayer times and calender why not the new moon calculations
again forgive me and let me make it clear that it was not ME but the committe that came up with this strategy
i am just an observer who happens to be next door and attend some of the meetings with his permission
so to answer your question who is behind this here are some of his own words
I hope it will clear the air per say - I learn every day and at times see the new moon when he sees it and shows me
by Khalid Shaukat
We calculate where the crescent moon sighting is possible for every lunar month. Visibility of the New Crescent Moon is calculated using the criteria, developed after decades of research by Khalid Shaukat, of Moonsighting Committee Worldwide (MCW). Development of the criteria included several thousand authentic observations, collected over a period of 150 years in different locations of the world. These visibility calculations jive with the observations every month since 1993.
Global Islamic Calendar: The criterion is moon birth before 12:00 (GMT).
Islamic Months
Conjunction Date
(GMT)
1st Day of Islamic Month
Gregorian Date
Weekday
Rajab 1427
July 25, 2006
4:30
Rajab 1, 1427
July 26, 2006
(WED)
Sha'ban 1427
August 23, 2006
19:09
Sha'ban 1, 1427
August 25, 2006
(FRI)
Ramadan 1427
September 22, 2006
11:45
Ramadan 1, 1427
September 23, 2006
(SAT)
Shawwal 1427
October 22, 2006
5:14
Shawwal 1, 1427
October 23, 2006
(MON)
Dhul-Qi'dah 1427
November 20, 2006
22:17
Dhul-Qi'dah 1, 1427
November 22, 2006
(WED)
Dhul-Hijjah 1427
December 20, 2006
14:00
Dhul-Hijjah 1, 1427
December 22, 2006
(FRI)
Muharram 1428
January 19, 2007
4:00
Muharram 1, 1428
January 20, 2007
(SAT)
Safar 1428
February 17, 2007
16:14
Safar 1, 1428
February 19, 2007
(MON)
Rabi-al-Awwal 1428
March 19, 2007
2:42
Rabi-al-Awwal 1, 1428
March 20, 2007
(TUE)
Rabi-al-Thani 1428
April 17, 2007
11:36
Rabi-al-Thani 1, 1428
April 18, 2007
(WED)
Jumada-al-oola 1428
May 16, 2007
19:27
Jumada-al-oola 1, 1428
May 18, 2007
(FRI)
Jumada-al-Ukhra 1428
June 15, 2007
3:13
Jumada-al-Ukhra 1, 1428
June 16, 2007
(SAT)
Rajab 1428
July 14, 2007
12:03
Rajab 1, 1428
July 16, 2007
(MON)
Sha'ban 1428
August 12, 2007
23:02
Sha'ban 1, 1428
August 14, 2007
(TUE)
Ramadan 1428
September 11, 2007
12:44
Ramadan 1, 1428
September 13, 2007
(THU)
Shawwal 1428
October 11, 2007
5:00
Shawwal 1, 1428
October 12, 2007
(FRI)
Dhul-Qi'dah 1428
November 9, 2007
23:03
Dhul-Qi'dah 1, 1428
November 11, 2007
(SUN)
Dhul-Hijjah 1428
December 9, 2007
17:40
Dhul-Hijjah 1, 1428
December 11, 2007
(TUE)
Muharram 1429
January 8, 2008
11:37
Muharram 1, 1429
January 9, 2008
(WED)
Safar 1429
February 7, 2008
3:44
Safar 1, 1429
February 8, 2008
(FRI)
Rabi-al-Awwal 1429
March 7, 2008
17:14
Rabi-al-Awwal 1, 1429
March 9, 2008
(SUN)
Rabi-al-Thani 1429
April 6, 2008
3:55
Rabi-al-Thani 1, 1429
April 7, 2008
(MON)
Jumada-al-oola 1429
May 5, 2008
12:18
Jumada-al-oola 1, 1429
May 7, 2008
(WED)
Jumada-al-Ukhra 1429
June 3, 2008
19:22
Jumada-al-Ukhra 1, 1429
June 5, 2008
(THU)
Rajab 1429
July 3, 2008
2:18
Rajab 1, 1429
July 4, 2008
(FRI)
Sha'ban 1429
August 1, 2008
10:12
Sha'ban 1, 1429
August 2, 2008
(SAT)
Ramadan 1429
August 30, 2008
19:58
Ramadan 1, 1429
September 1, 2008
(MON)
Shawwal 1429
September 29, 2008
8:12
Shawwal 1, 1429
September 30, 2008
(TUE)
Dhul-Qi'dah 1429
October 28, 2008
23:13
Dhul-Qi'dah 1, 1429
October 30, 2008
(THU)
Dhul-Hijjah 1429
November 27, 2008
16:54
Dhul-Hijjah 1, 1429
November 29, 2008
(SAT)
Muharram 1430
December 27, 2008
12:22
Muharram 1, 1430
December 29, 2008
(MON)
Safar 1430
January 26, 2009
7:55
Safar 1, 1430
January 27, 2009
(TUE)
Rabi-al-Awwal 1430
February 25, 2009
1:35
Rabi-al-Awwal 1, 1430
February 26, 2009
(THU)
Rabi-al-Thani 1430
March 26, 2009
16:05
Rabi-al-Thani 1, 1430
March 28, 2009
(SAT)
Jumada-al-oola 1430
April 25, 2009
3:22
Jumada-al-oola 1, 1430
April 26, 2009
(SUN)
Jumada-al-Ukhra 1430
May 24, 2009
12:11
Jumada-al-Ukhra 1, 1430
May 26, 2009
(TUE)
Rajab 1430
June 22, 2009
19:34
Rajab 1, 1430
June 24, 2009
(WED)
Sha'ban 1430
July 22, 2009
2:34
Sha'ban 1, 1430
July 23, 2009
(THU)
Ramadan 1430
August 20, 2009
10:01
Ramadan 1, 1430
August 21, 2009
(FRI)
Shawwal 1430
September 18, 2009
18:44
Shawwal 1, 1430
September 20, 2009
(SUN)
Dhul-Qi'dah 1430
October 18, 2009
5:33
Dhul-Qi'dah 1, 1430
October 19, 2009
(MON)
Dhul-Hijjah 1430
November 16, 2009
19:13
Dhul-Hijjah 1, 1430
November 18, 2009
(WED)
Muharram 1431
December 16, 2009
12:02
Muharram 1, 1431
December 18, 2009
(FRI)
Safar 1431
January 15, 2010
7:11
Safar 1, 1431
January 16, 2010
(SAT)
Rabi-al-Awwal 1431
February 14, 2010
2:51
Rabi-al-Awwal 1, 1431
February 15, 2010
(MON)
Rabi-al-Thani 1431
March 15, 2010
21:01
Rabi-al-Thani 1, 1431
March 17, 2010
(WED)
Jumada-al-oola 1431
April 14, 2010
12:28
Jumada-al-oola 1, 1431
April 16, 2010
(FRI)
Jumada-al-Ukhra 1431
May 14, 2010
1:04
Jumada-al-Ukhra 1, 1431
May 15, 2010
(SAT)
Rajab 1431
June 12, 2010
11:14
Rajab 1, 1431
June 13, 2010
(SUN)
Sha'ban 1431
July 11, 2010
19:40
Sha'ban 1, 1431
July 13, 2010
(TUE)
Ramadan 1431
August 10, 2010
3:07
Ramadan 1, 1431
August 11, 2010
(WED)
Shawwal 1431
September 8, 2010
10:29
Shawwal 1, 1431
September 9, 2010
(THU)
Dhul-Qi'dah 1431
October 7, 2010
18:44
Dhul-Qi'dah 1, 1431
October 9, 2010
(SAT)
Dhul-Hijjah 1431
November 6, 2010
4:51
Dhul-Hijjah 1, 1431
November 7, 2010
(SUN)
Muharram 1432
December 5, 2010
17:35
Muharram 1, 1432
December 7, 2010
(TUE)
Safar 1432
January 4, 2011
9:02
Safar 1, 1432
January 5, 2011
(WED)
Rabi-al-Awwal 1432
February 3, 2011
2:30
Rabi-al-Awwal 1, 1432
February 4, 2011
(FRI)
Rabi-al-Thani 1432
March 4, 2011
20:45
Rabi-al-Thani 1, 1432
March 6, 2011
(SUN)
Jumada-al-oola 1432
April 3, 2011
14:32
Jumada-al-oola 1, 1432
April 5, 2011
(TUE)
Jumada-al-Ukhra 1432
May 3, 2011
6:50
Jumada-al-Ukhra 1, 1432
May 4, 2011
(WED)
Rajab 1432
June 1, 2011
21:02
Rajab 1, 1432
June 3, 2011
(FRI)
Sha'ban 1432
July 1, 2011
8:53
Sha'ban 1, 1432
July 2, 2011
(SAT)
Ramadan 1432
July 30, 2011
18:39
Ramadan 1, 1432
August 1, 2011
(MON)
Shawwal 1432
August 29, 2011
3:04
Shawwal 1, 1432
August 30, 2011
(TUE)
Dhul-Qi'dah 1432
September 27, 2011
11:08
Dhul-Qi'dah 1, 1432
September 28, 2011
(WED)
Dhul-Hijjah 1432
October 26, 2011
19:55
Dhul-Hijjah 1, 1432
October 28, 2011
(FRI)
The Proposed Global Islamic Calendar: (If Ulemaa' accept it)
Astronomical calculations can be used to determine the beginning of the Islamic lunar months with the consideration of the sightability of the crescent anywhere on the globe.
To determine a lunar Islamic calendar, a conventional point of reference must be used. The International Date Line (IDL) is the best place to be used as a reference point.
The new Islamic Lunar month begins at sunset of the day when the conjunction occurs before 0:00 midnight at IDL (which is 12:00 Noon GMT). If the conjunction occurs after 0:00 at IDL, then the month begins at sunset of the next day.
Brief Explanation:
A. Discussion of a number of research papers led to the conclusion that the use of calculation both in negation as well as affirmation of the beginning of the new Islamic Lunar months has a firm basis in the Qur'an and Sunnah as well as in the opinion of some classical and contemporary jurists.
B. The new moon (i.e. time of conjunction) is when the Moon passes between the Earth and the Sun closest to the Sun-Earth line. This time of conjunction is precisely predictable by astronomical calculation.
C. The conjunction before 0:00 at IDL (i.e. 12:00 Noon GMT) would give enough time to the new moon to be visible (weather permitting) somewhere on the globe on that day.
5 yr Global Calendars
No complicated calculations are needed for this calendar. Any person with common sense math can make it. Only the time and date of new moon birth is Needed, which can easily be obtained from Almanacs, Newspapers, or Internet.
Click here for 5 years calendar
Why 12:00 GMT
Primary reason is that when it is 12:00 noon GMT, it is 0:00 at International Dateline (IDL) [180:00 Longitude]. So, when sunset time comes at IDL around 6:00 to 6:30 pm, it will be 18 plus hours after conjunction, and the moon is considered sightable at the IDL or before, when its age has become more than 18 hours (in some cases by telescope only).
Secondary reason is that when it is 12:00 noon GMT, it is 0:00 at IDL. If the conjunction has occurred before that time, then the month can begin at the IDL when it is 0:00 at IDL, meaning a new day has started. This condition will not be true if we choose any other reference line or reference time. Also, the sightability consideration would be affected if any other time is chosen.
> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:53:08 -0400> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: first ramadam/Habib> To: [log in to unmask]> > Habib,> > If they are able to spit out a calendar with regard to when Ramadan will end, that that is based on pure astronomical calculations and not in conjunction with the use of telescopes to actually sight the moon, and that is departing from sunnah.> You mentioned all the new discoveries that were not known before, however, the Qur'an tells us that Allah (SWT) is the knower of the visible and the invisible. He is also the one who inspires His creation to be able to invent or to do anything else for that matter, so no future inventions could possibly have been unknown to Him. The Prophet (SAS) also told us about all the things that will come to pass before the day of judgement and if you examine the list, you will be able to identify without a doubt many a modern invention.> > Who exactly were the people who got together to come up with this system of calculations and which Islamic scholars are in agreement with them?> > Jabou> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: Habib Ghanim <[log in to unmask]>> To: [log in to unmask]> Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 1:17 am> Subject: Re: first ramadam to be on thursday> > > > > > > > > > > The following table lists the Gregorian dates of New Year, the beginning of > Ramadan, the date of Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha, according to the Ummal-Qura.> > > > > > Year> > 1 Muharram> > 1 Ramadan> > 1 Shawwal> > 10 Dhul-Hijja> > > 1425> > 21 Feb 2004 Sa> > 15 Oct 2004 Fr> > Nov 2004> > 21 Jan 2005 Fr> > > 1426> > 10 Feb 2005 Th> > 4 Oct 2005 Tu> > 3 Nov 2005> > 10 Jan 2006Tu> > > 1427> > 31 Jan 2006 Tu> > 24 Sep 2006 Su> > 23 Oct 2006> > 31 Dec 2006 Su> > > 1428> > 20 Jan 2007 Sa> > 13 Sep 2007 Th> > 13 Oct 2007> > 20 Dec 2007 Th> > > 1429> > 10 Jan 2008 Th> > 1 Sep 2008 Mo> > 1 Oct 2008> > 8 Dec 2008 Mo> > > 1430> > 29 Dec 2008 Mo> > 22 Aug 2009> > 20 Sep 2009> > 27 Nov 2009 Fr> > > 1431> > 18 Dec 2009 Fr> > 11 Aug 2010> > 10 Sep 2010> > 16 Nov 2010Tu> plan your holidays now without headaches> > > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:08:29 -0400> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: > first ramadam to be on thursday> To: [log in to unmask]> > > Brother > Habib,> > Thanks.> As I mentioned, I have no problem with the choice of Makkah > as the point of > reference for the moon sightings. Infact, I think that it is > something > befitting that should have been done long ago because it is a point > of reference for > the Ummah.> The slaughtering en masse also makes sense > because the pronouncement of > Allah's (SWT) name is what matters there so no > major departures from the sunnah.> Loud speakers make sense as aids to better > conveyance of what is being said.> Therefore, opposition to these above > mentioned items is a bit fanatical.> However, when it comes to the actual > sighting of the moon with the naked > eye, that is the sunnah of the Prophet and > even the Qu'ran mentions that. > Deciding to depend on mathematical and > astronomical calculations alone without > seeing the actual moon crescent is > another matter altogether. Innovation I say.> We already know that in the lunar > calendar we follow in Islam, some months > are 30 days and some are 29, and the > Prophet told us that during his time. > During Ramadan, actually sighting the > moon is what determines if we fast 29 days > or 30 days.> I personally think > that it is a dangerous departure.> Instead, what needed to be done was to have > the Ummah World-wide defer to > the Makkans whenever they inform us that the > moon has been sighted over there > with the naked eye and go with that as > opposed to going with calculations. > I remember that during the time that the > late Serigne Modou Lamin Bah was > imam of Banjul, if the moon was sighted in > Makkah, he would make the decision to > go along with that schedule.> > May > Allah guide the Ummah to the straight path and protect us from Bi'da.> May He > inspire and help us to keep our faith pure.> > Please remember us, the rest of > our compatriots and the Ummah in your > prayers.> > wassalaam,> Jabou> > In a > message dated 9/11/2007 10:46:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [log in to unmask] > writes:> > Balal na la Ahha> yes indeed sister jabou> for several months since > jan 2007 all the muslim scholars that are > astronomers and mathematicians met > with some religious scholars in europe , south asia > and in the usa plus > experts from Africa ( capetown and cairo) to finalize > this method> > the key > is very simple and strategic one location was selected and which > city better > than mekkah> so when the new moon is born ( the know the exact time to the > seconds ) in > mekkah area alone before sunset then we start the new lunar month > the > following day but when the new moon is born after sunset then the next day > is the > first day- reasoning is that since each month is exactly 29.5 (and half > day) > so it means some months will be 30 days and some 29 only> there is no > half day - so it makes sense and yes it has been accepted by > the scholars> > > > remember when the microphone or loud speakers fist came about abot 60 years > > ago many indo pak muslims also refused to use them because it was not used in > > the time of the prophet (pbuh) and not sunnah > well with technonogy and science > advances Imams now use these loudspeakers > to give khutbas to big crowds of > worshippers so all can hear him deliver > his speech. and there is no debate on > this matter any more with the cell phones > and land lines -telephones have sms > /ims , cameras and even videos now to > almost mini computers > > we have the > same issues with mechanical slaughter of chickens versus hand > slaughter - now > machine slaughtered chickens are allowed as long as they are > supervised > properly to avoid mistakes and the tasmiah is said by the muslim > supervisors > during the process> > a classic example used was that during the prophets time > people performed > pilgrimage to mekkah on horses and camels now we us > airoplanes and cars and > boats. > > best regards to y'all in the south and have > a blessed month of Ramadan> Hajj Habib> > > > > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:35:50 > -0400> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: > first ramadam to be on thursday> To: > [log in to unmask]> > Habib,> > > Balal na la, balal ma ahhah.> > > Astronomical calculations instead of > actually sighting the moon? I have no > issues with the rest of the Islamic World > going along with the Makkans > sighting of the moon as the start and end of > Ramadan, but is the new standard > of going with astronomical calculations sunnah?> > > Jabou> > > > -----Original > Message-----> From: Habib Ghanim > <[log in to unmask]>> To: [log in to unmask]> > Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 8:21 pm> > Subject: Re: first ramadam to be on thursday> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks sister > Jabou > thank God the whole universe this > year starts on the same day ie 13 th > sept and > will celebrate eid on 13 th > october 2007> from now on we will all > noy look for the new cresent moon as the > new global > standard will use makkah > as the target for the whole world and > now based on > astronomical and > mathematical calculations only > we know when > eid will fall for 5 years now without > complains ( except the > bangladashis > and indo pakistanis) inshallah this is > a good move to unify the > ummah> > > balal ma ahhah > may we meet next years > ramadan in good health inshallah> > habib Diab ghanim> > > > > Date: Tue, 11 > Sep 2007 20:01:34 -0400> From: > [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: > first ramadam to > be on thursday> To: > [log in to unmask]> > Ramadaan > Mubarak.> May > Allah (SWT) accept our > fasting and forgive us our sins.> > Jabou > Joh> > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message-----> From: SUNTOU TOURAY > > <[log in to unmask]>> To: > [log in to unmask]> Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 > 1:19 pm> > Subject: first > ramadam to be on thursday> > > > > > > > > > > the main > > islamic news chanel > in U.k announce that ramadan will comence on > thursday the > > 13th of > september.> i wish every body a blessed ramadan. i am sure baba and > some > > sanyang kunda > folks will be happy that we will wait for another day > to start > > the fast .not > forgeting the darboe kunda crew .saloum,haruna and > lj darboe > > .God bless ,guys.> suntou.> > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤> > > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of > postings, go to the Gambia-L > Web > > interface> at: > http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html> > To > Search in > the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l> > > To contact the List > Management, please send an e-mail to:> > [log in to unmask]> > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________> > > Email > and AIM finally together. 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