Folks,
I'm coming into this debate late because I was on vacation. And to whoever
wrote Islam is the right religion, it may be for you but not for me, period!
Whether Gambia is 87% or 99.9% muslim is irrelevant. Believe in what you
believe and let others do the same. I do not wish to be told what is the right
or wrong religion for me.
sarian
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> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 02:23:55 +0200
> From: Samba Goddard <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Sv: Re: Religious postings on Gambia-L
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Assalaamu alaikum G-L
> Alhamdullila,(God is Great)
> (There is no power and might except by Allah)
>
> Brother Katim Touray writes: Still on the issue of other comments on my
posting, I`d like to say that Samba Goddard`s reply totally Cracked me up. I
laughed my head off when I read his e.mail.
> Despite what you might think of my posting, Mr.Goddard,it was in good faith,
and not meant to offend one religion or the other God, I`m sure, will
understand.
>
> Brother Katim ,(peace be with you)
> I want to know what Cracked you up.
> Is it the question that whether you believe in the oneness of God,
> or is it the question that whether you are Muslim,Christian or Jew. I want you
to answer my QUESTIONS not to tell me that I Cracked you up.
>
> You said that your posting was in good faith.
> Do you know what good faith means?
>
> You said that you dont meant to offend one religion or the other God,
> Do you know what offend means?
> Is there any other god than God The AlMighty.
> I think 90% of the list members know`s that you Katim .S.Touray offend
youself, no body else but yourself.
>
> Brother Katim all what I understand from your posting,is the fact that you are
favouring another religion than Islam know you come to the point saying that the
Gambia-L has been hosted on St.John`s server since last May. For the benefit of
those who don`t know,St John`s is a Catholic university,in New York City,USA.
>
> We the new generation of today, no one can fool us by sponsorship, if you know
what I mean,we know the truth
> and we will go for it.
>
> If St.John`s want us to preach about Jesus, that is what we the Muslims are
doing, if you only know the truth,and who Jesus was,and why he came on earth.
> Is only the Muslim`s who practise what Jesus had said:
>
> We are not here to play smart or whatever you might call it.
> We are here to say the truth, nothing but the truth and the truth
> always HOT those who are controled by Satan the evil.
>
> My Father was a Christian and all his parents.
> Let me tell you a little bit about my Father`s biography if you don`t mind.
> His name is Dr.Daniel Arthur Goddard,commonly known as `Daddy Dan`was the
first child of Sam and Mary Louise Goddard.
> He was born January 2nd 1942 at number 20 Hagan Street.
> He attended St.John`s Prep for two years and proceeded to Saint Augustine`s
Primary School from 1949 to 1953, he then Moved on to the secondary level from
1954 to 1959.
> He was a devout catholic and an active member of various church organisations.
As a server, he rose to the rank of Masters of Ceremony in the Cathedral of Our
Lady of the Assumption where he played a major role in many principal masses
officiated by the late Bishop Michael Maloney.
> He attended Newman Prep School in Boston for a year and was admitted to St
Peter`s College (a Jesuit College) in New Jersey, where he earned his
undergraduated degree in the Natural Sciences in 1969, with a minor in
Philosophy.
> He then proceeded to New York Medical College where he graduated in 1973. He
performed his internship and residency at
> Norfolk Community Hospital in Virginia.
>
> This is just a little hint about my father (may his soul rest in perfect peace
and may God The AlMighty forgive him all his sins and Shower him with His
Mercy).....Ameeen!!!!!
>
> God The AlMighty chosed me to be a Muslim, I thank Him Billion times for the
blessing He give me.........
>
> As from today I will start to post more religious postings about Islam,
Christianity and jewdaism,so that everybody will know that Islam is the best
religion for mankind, as you already know.
> Whether you like it or not!!!!!!!
> Christianity and Jewdaism came only to prooved Islam.
> And I will proove it for you if you dont use your DELETE button.
>
> So don`t use your DELETE button for the truth,cause the TRUTH
> cannot be hide as I had said many times on my postings.
> Only those who are shower by Satan will use their DELETE buttons not to axcept
the FACT.
>
> Brother Katim I want you to tell the leader`s of St.John`s Catholic mission or
whatever, I want to help them with the TRUTH, If they want the to know the
TRUTH.
>
> Let us start the DEBATE brother Katim and Co as you already did.
>
> May Allah (SWT) guide us from your Satan and guide us to the straight
part.....Ameen!!!!!
>
> (There is no power and might except by Allah)
>
> Allahummasalli alaa saidina Muhammadin wa alaa alli Muhammadin.
>
> Samba Goddard
> (Pulo)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Katim S. Touray
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 9:20 AM
> Subject: Re: Religious postings on Gambia-L
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Thanks so much for your responses to my last e-mail on religious postings on
Gambia-L. I appreciate the time you all took to send in your comments. From
all indications, the majority of us are of the opinion that we should allow
religious postings on the list. In addition, the feeling I get is that many who
wrote on the issue feel that my e-mail was rather crash, if not dictatorial.
>
> In response to all these opinions, I would like to begin by saying that the
problem is all my fault. I should have preceeded my position with an
explanation of the circumstances surrounding it. I did not do that, and in the
process have given a lot of people genuine grounds for concern. Having said
that, I will now give you a brief overview of the reasons for my e-mail, and
hope that in the end, we will be able to move on.
>
> Those subscribers who were on the list when it was hosted at the Univ. of
Washington (UW), Seattle, will recall that we had to move Gambia-L from there
after Mr. Anthony Loum, under whose auspices the list was hosted by UW, was no
longer comfortable with the list being hosted under his name. It was with luck
that I was able to get St. John's University to host Gambia-L for us. I have
been helping with managing the African Association of Madison mailing list,
which St. John's has hosted since it's creation in Oct. 1997, and for this
reason, was able to ask my contact at St. John's to help, and he agreed to.
>
> Gambia-L has been hosted on St. John's server since last May. For the
benefit of those who don't know, St. John's is a Catholic university, in New
York City, USA. You can access their Web site at
http://www.stjohns.edu/index-2.html to get more information about the school. I
suggest you read the "About" pages http://www.stjohns.edu/about/ which detail
information such as the university's Core Values, and Mission Statement. The
Mission Statement, in particular, states that the University is Catholic
committed to creating "a climate patterned on the life and teaching of Jesus
Christ as embodied in the traditions and practices of the Roman Catholic
Church." However, the Mission Statement continues:
> Our community, which comprises members of many faiths, strives for an
openness which is "wholly directed to all that is true, all that deserves
respect, all that is honest, pure, admirable, decent, virtuous, or worthy of
praise" (Philippians 4:8). Thus, the university is a place where the church
reflects upon itself and the world as it engages in dialogue with other
religious traditions.
> It seems from the above that while St. John's takes their Catholic faith
seriously, they are also open to a dialog with other beliefs. Be that as it
may, I thought it prudent that since our list is hosted on their server, we will
be advised to be sensitive to their beliefs, and refrain from using Gambia-L to
engage in religious education of whatever form. I think this is a perfectly
logical stand to take, especially because I don't think an Islamic group would
allow their, say, mosque's public address system to be used to preach Christian
sermons.
>
> Another issue that I think we should be aware of is the fact that we have
many Christian (Gambian and non-Gambian) subscribers on the list. What would
happen if we start trading more religious postings? Would we be reduced to a
forum of religious strife and intolerance? And again, I thought it prudent that
we should just refrain from out-right religious propaganda, in the interest of
being sensitive to people who might not subscribe to our faiths.
>
> Some of you have suggested that given the existence of the DELETE button, it
is a fairly simple matter to forget about postings one is not interested in,
including those of a religious sort. While that sounds simple, it does not
consider the fact that our postings are archived. That you've deleted a posting
from your mailbox does not mean that it's dissappeared from our archives. The
fact that you don't read a posting does not mean that it does not affect you in
anyway, because each archived posting takes up space on St. John's server.
>
> For your information, the St. John's server has a disk capacity of 15 GB,
and runs a total of about 700 mailing lists, out of which 546 are archived
(http://www.lsoft.com/scripts/wl.exe?SS1=MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU). The server
delivers an average of about 600,000 (six hundred thousand) postings a DAY to
and from some 241 THOUSAND subscribers. As you can imagine, the numbers can add
up very fast. Thus, it would help for all of us to ensure that we do our best
to ensure that we do not over-stretch the resources that St. John's provides to
subscribers the world over.
>
> I also mentioned that other people have created mailing lists on various
religious issues, including Islam. Thus, you can search for Islam-oriented
groups at:
>
> http://www.lsoft.com/lists/list_q.html
>
> Type "islam" or "muslim" (without the quotes) in the search field, and press
the "Start the search!" button to retrieve a list of lists with names, hosts, or
titles (depending on what you chose) that might your criteria. And, if you
like, you can also start your own group at either e-Groups
(http://www.egroups.com) or Topica (http://www.topica.com).
>
> I would like to re-assure everyone that my decision on stopping religious
postings on the list was motivated more by a desire not to abuse favors being
accorded us by St. Johns. I will contact them on the matter, to get a
categorical answer regarding what their policies are. In the event that they do
not have any problems with people sending religious postings on our list, and
such postings do not become an issue of concern to people of different religions
(e.g. Christians worrying about Islamic postings, and vice versa), I will have
no problems letting subscribers send in what they want assuming, of course, we
have adequate diskspace.
>
> May I also add that the decision to put a stop to religious postings on
Gambia-L was totally mine. For this reason, I would like to absolve other
Gambia-L managers of any and all blame for whatever problems this might have
caused. These Managers have always provided, and continue to provide a lot of
help in the management of Gambia-L.
>
> Finally, I have to express my displeasure at the way which Hamjatta Kanteh
attacked Jabou Joh about her postings on Gambia-L. I see no reason why Mr.
Kanteh should have attacked Ms. Joh like that, and further, I would like to say
that I wish Mr. Kanteh had allowed us to make up our minds about whether or not
Ms. Joh is a hypocrite. Still on the issue of other comments on my posting, I'd
like to say that Samba Goddard's reply totally cracked me up. I laughed my head
off when I read his e-mail. Despite what you might think of my posting, Mr.
Goddard, it was in good faith, and not meant to offend one religion or the
other. God, I'm sure, will understand.
>
> Have a great week, and best wishes.
>
> Katim
>
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