Mr Jah,
Good logic, well done and have a good day!!
Abdoulie Jawo
UNDP Malawi
Edi Jah <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Mr Jawo,
If you track back on this topic, you will get a clear picture of the whole
discussion. I intimated that a G-L rule/regulation has been circumvented
rendering the rule useless in the process; and the rule should apply to all.
Find the G-L rule/regulation I appended to my original posting below:
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policy, by people subscribed under pseudo-names, we are requiring all new
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I wrote this in my original posting: IMO, [log in to unmask] :-) and
his Peace Justice colleagues should individually subscribe like everyone
else, if they wish to post to this forum. Unless there is something DODGY--
I do not think daffeh/smballow and his Peace Justice colleagues will object
to subscribing to the list.
When you get the whole picture you will realise I did not try to gag or
dictate to anyone.
Equal Rights & Justice for All!
Edi Jah
On 16/03/06, jawo abdoulie wrote:
>
> Mr Jah,
>
> In short, that is precisely one aspect of the gagging of free speech,
> concocting seeming rules and regs as to who should send artricles directly
> or indierectly!!
>
> Mr Jah, if you could understand why nobody should want to condition
> anybody, in the first place, as to how to send artcles to Gambia_L, you
> would rightly comprehend what I mean. It is as simple as that and no further
> construction of an enclave of enlightenment is required.
>
> Actually, I did not initially read those articles on "Selective
> Forwarding....." until after I read Ginny's contribution, because instead of
> insisting on the principle of selective forwarding, I apply the principle of
> selective reading.
>
> Abdoulie Jawo
> UNDP Malawi
>
> Edi Jah wrote:
> Mr Jawo,
>
> When I said communicate interactively I meant two-way communication,
> Daffeh
> doesn't. As I said earlier: all of Daffeh's pieces encroaches on topics
> been discussed here, that's not a problem if he does it
> interactively. Unless there is something untoward, I don't see why Daffeh
> would be reluctant to send his postings here directly.
>
>
> Again, I beg the question--how does this amount to ''gagging of free
> speech''?
>
> Cheers,
> Edi Jah
>
>
> On 15/03/06, jawo abdoulie wrote:
> >
> > Mr Jah,
> >
> > Forwarding articles for instance, which I myself, like many others, have
> > done several times on the L, is interactive enough in my view. You will
> > surely agree with me that we do not need a hierarchy of interactivity in
> the
> > interaction on the L.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Abdoulie Jawo
> > UNDP Malawi
> >
> >
> > Edi Jah wrote:
> > Mr Jawo:
> >
> > I don't see how asking someone to communicate interactively can curtail
> > their freedom of speech. May be you can enlighten me?
> >
> > Jah
> >
> >
> > On 14/03/06, jawo abdoulie wrote:
> > >
> > > Ginny,
> > >
> > > You are totally right. Fundamentally, intolerance is the beginning of
> > the
> > > shackling of democrarcy and the gagging of free speech. Undoubtledy,
> > these
> > > are major facets of human liberty and progress that The Gambia is
> > yearning
> > > for under the current APRC's utter disregard of tolerating divergent,
> > and
> > > often more mature, views.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, throughout history, there seems to have always been the
> > > tendency of trying to make free speech free only when it is in line
> with
> > > one's views. However, in this day and age, the best way to combat the
> > > distortion of the truth is through more enlightened truth. In short,
> > that
> > > is, more mature ideas and arguemnets, not condemnation; as
> condemnation
> > is
> > > the only ammunition available for those who have run out of ideas, of
> > > knowledge of how to handle/address situations, expecially those which
> > are
> > > seen to be different from what one stands for....
> > >
> > > Those seeking the Altar of Freedom, must not only contiunue to search
> > for
> > > freedom, but tolerate it from others as well; as the solution to
> freedom
> > can
> > > only be more freedom and nothing else.
> > >
> > > Ginny, your objectivity is great.
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > >
> > > Abdoulie Jawo
> > > UNDP Malawi
> > >
> > > Ginny Quick wrote:
> > > Hello, all, while I understand some people's concerns about Saihou
> > > Mballow forwarding emails from SS Daffeh, if we start saying who can
> > > or can't forward, or what one can or can't post / forward, where does
> > > it stop? People forward various things here all the time, from the
> > > Foroya to the New Statesman, among other things, and no one in the
> > > past has said anything about that. Is the issue that there isn't a
> > > means of commenting and giving feedback to the one writing /
> > > forwarding the articles, or is it just that people disagree and so
> > > they feel the need to say something?
> > >
> > > If you're going to start banning forwards, you should ban
> > > everyone or ban no one. I don't think it's fair to just pick on one
> > > person, simply because you disagree with what they are saying.
> > >
> > > If I read an issue of Forya or the New Statesman and I feel that
> > > what they are saying is wrong, or their logic or use of statistics are
> > > faulty, do I have a means to comment directly to them and thus give
> > > feedback? If I don't, and this is just a mere forward, what is the
> > > difference between these forwards and what Saihou is forwarding?
> > >
> > > I just don't see the "Daffeh" issue is that big of a deal.
> > > People forward stuff here all the time, and if I don't like it, most
> > > of the itme, I just delete it and move on. And I think the
> > > condemnation of Saihou is a bit selective considering that there have
> > > been toher forwards that other people have sent in, that don't have a
> > > means whereby people can comment directly to the person, or, of
> > > course, the person isn't directly subscribed to the Gambia-l.
> > >
> > > If the only difference between what Saihou is doing and what
> > > others have done is that the majority of the list members just don't
> > > agree with what he, or the author of the forward, is saying, than what
> > > does that say about people's supposed support of free speech and
> > > democracy? If one truly believes in free speech and democracy, then
> > > one must not try to silence someone that htey don't agree with.
> > >
> > > Ginny
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/8/06, abdoukarim sanneh wrote:
> > > > Mr Momodou.S Sidibeh
> > > > Thanks for your response. I think the present global historical
> > reality
> > > > does not require whether politically you are allied to left or
> rights.
> > > The
> > > > British Labour party is a show case example after abolition of
> clause
> > 4.
> > > The
> > > > second example is the corporate take over of china which is still
> > under
> > > one
> > > > party communist rule. The third example is closer to home Africa
> > > National
> > > > Congress of South Africa. Within the rank and file of ANC, composed
> of
> > > South
> > > > Africa Communist party, advocates of Scientific Socialism, Marxist
> > > humanist,
> > > > Nationalist, capitalist, etc. What was ANC's pathway to address
> > > dehumanise
> > > > economic realities of South African masse after liberation from the
> > > > aparthied regime? ANC, when into to adopted nothing order than
> > > neoliberal
> > > > economic policies dictate by the world bank and IMF.
> > > > Mr Sidebeh you are wrong to think UDP is right wing political
> > > > organisation. Please I refer you to make a research into the party's
> > > > manifesto. UDP value nothing order social democracy with emphasis on
> > > rule of
> > > > law, constitution democracy and social justice. It is basic
> > fundamental
> > > of
> > > > the party in the 1996 and 2001 election.
> > > > Mr Sidibeh, just like the Libdem in United Kingdom within their
> ranks
> > > > consist right and left wing politicians but all what the groups
> share
> > in
> > > > common is the liberal values. On the question of New Statesman,even
> > with
> > > the
> > > > fact that New paper is seem in many quarter as a left wing press but
> > the
> > > > evolution in global politics enable the media to change lot of its
> > > utopian
> > > > views. It is like globalisation and its discontent in many
> perspective
> > > but
> > > > that does not mean that dynamic toward globalisation cannot address
> > > global
> > > > inequality and environmental issues.
> > > > Once again have a good working week and I hope the progressive
> debate
> > > from
> > > > you end will continue.
> > > >
> > > > Momodou S Sidibeh wrote:
> > > > Brother Abdoukarim Sanneh Balamang!
> > > >
> > > > I have the feeling you are wooing me into the UDP? That would be an
> > > > impossible sell.
> > > > I agree with you that for any coalition to remain stable (and infact
> > > > democratic) it ought to be led by " ...a leading opposition...",
> (your
> > > > words). But perhaps that is all you and I agree upon?
> > > > I must say that I am a little surprised to learn that you are a UDP
> > > militant
> > > > as you are the most prolific in feeding us a constant diet of
> leftist
> > > > analysis from the New Statesman. So what are you doing there? Can
> you
> > or
> > > > your fellow UDPians tell me why you are supporting the UDP? Perhaps
> > your
> > > > answers may give this debate the radical twist it so greatly needs.
> > > >
> > > > Good morning,
> > > > sidibeh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "abdoukarim sanneh"
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:33 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: List Manager(s): SS. Daffeh/Peace Justice
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Mr Sidibeh thanks for your suggestion and I hope Mr Daffeh will
> soon
> > > > > subscribe to the debate individually as it will enrich the
> > democractic
> > > > > debate in the forum. For the interest of the readership I am not
> > part
> > > of
> > > > > NADD because the political party I subscribe to as a member is not
> > > part of
> > > > > the coalition.We are a masse base political party and are
> determine
> > to
> > > > > pursue for the struggle as usual.Any coalition should be lead by a
> > > leading
> > > > > opposition and that is the stand of UDP Militants.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤
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