Hello Mr. Sidibeh,
Good to hear you again. It just occurred to me that God has a lot of time on
her hands. Anyway, I'm another stupid and blind person. So I look forward to
be healed and cleansed. BTW, how have you been???
In a message dated 5/4/2008 2:18:04 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
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Thanks again Suntu,
I am not doing this to offend anyone but to clear my doubt on certain issue
regarding religion in general. I am really in a confusion stage and I need a
refurbishment from anyone as knowledgeable to set me free as a result, God
will reword you for opening the eyes of a blinded stupid person like me.
If however, the story of Adam and Eve is to go by like it was narrated by
both Islam Christianity, God took us out of the heaven due to our sins so as to
get our acts together before He took us back, then do you think He will
accept us while we are still dirty? I think anyone who died, has completed his
mandates, that is to say, he/she is clean from the sin to take his or her place
in heaven. We who are still alive, need to complete our mandates like those
who went before us. Therefore, if a person is dead, we should thank God for
him because he/she have pass the exam to live in eternal life forever.
God says as well, the wisest among you will gain from my unlimited gifts on
earth as well as heaven. Now who are the wisest, on earth? people who
manufactured planes cars technological equipment etc which are benefiting to
millions of people, upon that, they manufactured politics using it as a weapon to
strengthen their positions. However, I am not saying that the white people are
as well the ones to go to heaven, because I think going to heaven needs the
recognition of your higher self, your Creator. Recognising that what ever you
manufactured was created by Him hence without him bringing you to this earth,
those products will never be manufactured.
Africa for example, is the richest continent in the globe yet the poorest
continent, Why? simply because white people came to us, fool us, and teach us
their political languages to be use as official language, and teaches us the
politics that we know nothing about and the few that were wise among us were
assassinated through the help of the white man by their own people so that
they can continued dealing with fools.
However, in recently era, there came lots who are wiser in the system and
eager for changes but failed in using the politic wisely to gain but wanted to
challenge head-on to get what they rightfully own and in doing that, they
end up hurting their own people. What I am trying to say is the fact that
whoever God blessed no one can take that but to work with them wisely by using
their own tools of politic they teaches use to whip them hence for now, we
cannot manufacture our own politic which will be contrary to theirs. All this
religious countries are using western democracy one way or the other because of
its power and influences it carries.
The Kingdom of Saudi have never ever stage an election but due to the
pressure from the west, they recently stage one as well as giving rights to women to
vote and hold higher positions in strategic areas. Do they have the need to
do that with vast amount of wealth in their disposal? yes they do because
they wanted to use the politic to pave their ways through the skin of the west.
Therefore, African leaders should open up their eyes and stop challenging but
work with these God given people by studying and using their politic against
them wisely to take our rightfull position in the club. This is my own logic
on what need to be done as well as the truth I think is how things are in
reality.
Edi
SUNTOU TOURAY <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Thanks Edie. you raise interesting issues as well. you are brave to state
your notion on religion and faith. since i am a bit short of time ,i will
respond later in detail. i know a lot about the marabout business. they are unlike
the field of studies you alluded to but still a wonderful take. from what
you wrote, i can see our difference in the understanding of agida. the Islamic
creed. the quran explicitly stated the existence of parallel beings,the
jinns. we as Muslims must accept that teaching. i hope more learned brothers here
like mo baldeh and others can elaborate on that but whatever the case i will
comment later.
Edie Sidibeh wrote: Good piece of writing my dear Suntu and may God bless
you for refurbishing people's mind on this sensitive issue.
Then again Suntu I have a doubt as such, who gave that magical power? did
they create those powers for themselves? God gave power to people to make guns
yet guns kills, He gave power to people to make cars planes boats yet those
creations are not completely save for human consumption. He gave us mouth,
hands, brains, legs and all the organs to use them in-order to make our lives
easier.
He also said we should use these above powers if it will make our lives
easier in "good manner" by using our brains he created and eye. He also said that
those whom he have guided will never be misled right. Therefore, I think,
those who goes to the serigns or marabout is also His creation to have the guts
to go there and give the money they are giving to get blessing in return if
that also will make their lives easier. God is more powerful than the
serigns, therefore, whoever God have guided, will never be influence by tricking of
the marbouts with their magics. If God did not agree with you going to
Marbouts you will not be able to do it because He is the ruler of your life and
have created you and whatever you do. Preachers also can be of the same category
because lots of them are rich from the donation given by their followers,
Presidents, directors, ministers, name just few are all using the power given
to them by God and is only few of them who are using their
brains and eyes for that matter.
Why is Satan created? is it just to say all bad influences are created by
him and Good ones by God? Logically, Satan is a fake or a cooked product to
play with people's mind by saying oh whatever good is God but whatever bad is
created by Satan. Satan never exist we are our own Satan hence we have the
brain and eyes to think and to see and realised what is Godly and not.
Traditionally, we are praying because we were born seeing our fore fathers doing it and
that is great because faith can move mountain and can make one happy
especially the poor who without faith will have shorter life.
Why will God create you after knowing already that you are going to the hell
fire? what is the use of Him creating you? God loves us very much and will
not take anyone to hell fire, because if you do bad, you will see it before
you die and if you do good is only good that will follow you. Is only we humans
who are always hesitant by looking at what others have and you don't, that
is why He said as well do not look at people who are over you but those who
are bellow you and always pray for them to be at the stage you are, in this
way, God will guide you and bless your progress. He said as well no one will get
to the hell fire because of Him but between you and your fellow human-being
will, hence He cannot forgive what you did to your fellow human-being. I
think whatever one did bad, will see it before dead overtake you, either in your
life time or the period of you dead when the angel will take your breath away
but you must pay for all what you did because God need you
clean not while you are dirty.
Edi
SUNTOU TOURAY wrote:
The mystical fellows in our communities has been with us since when we
cannot remember. Many among us have dealt with them, we have one way or the other
consulted them. but do you really know what sort of things this men are
doing? what is that we know about the serigns or marabout or moro's? this infamous
topic i will call who dares talk. why did i gave it that strange title? it
have to do with the strong believe that people has in the powers of this men.
from a perspective of Islam, this people can be categorise into two groups.
those who engage in acts of prayers and good actions and maintain the
spiritual standard required of a learned Muslim. they conduct their acts in
accordance with authentic sunnah or ways of the prophets. they never claim any powers
or means extra-ordinary, when people ask them for prayers or duaas, they
never hesitate to explain their human limitations. all they do is ask God's
favour for that particular person. this group of marabouts are very few. to
attain high status and closeness to God has many requirements. among them is
consuming what is lawful and that which is acquire without deception and/or
falsehood. in short eating from halal earnings. this is a monumental task for all
believers.
the second categories of marabouts/seriegns is the mystical masters. they
always have an air of piety with them. they direct people to them self. they
demand money always. they use tricks and engage in secretive acts just to
fulfil their clients request. they deal with the spirit world and engage in acts
contrary to the Islamic teachings yet they portray themselves as pious men and
use their Islamic appearances as a means to get customers. this men are just
like any other professional, for them ''god's professionals''. some of them
line their rooms with Qurans that they hardly read, they are what most
scholars refer to as MAGICIANS. the quran explain the acts of this people.
our marabouts are not using Islamic means to do any thing but other methods
of connecting forces.
marabourism works. we have to acknowledge that. is there any proof that it
works? yes. evil forces is existing. even in Christianity ,they talk of evil
forces,demons. people have access to this forces. there are many books written
from both Islamic and Judaic and Christian sources explaining this things.
we cannot outright deny the existence of jinns and how they associate with
humans who revered them.
may God forgive us from our past dealings with this sinful people. my advice
is that ,we need to stop patronising this men. they are like the
clairvoyance of the west, the palm readers of Hinduism and holy men in animism and
spiritual masters among Muslims. they are all magicians. avoid dealing with. let
not their outward Islamic appearance deceive you.we have many family names
associated with this profession. not all marabouts are magicians but many are.
put your trust in Allah ,He will surface for you. May God be with us and be
our protector from whatever we fear. A man can only more man not above the
status of human.
what do you know them, the seriegns and Moro's? enlighten us if you dare.
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