Yero,
My defination of " nonsense " means to me, words put together in a way that does
not make sense. If you define it another way, then i am sorry for using it. Was
the late Dad the only ex-Jokadu Chief under the PPP ? Why are you pushing this
issue to a highly respected family ? Did you properly read my explaination about
the attestation of birth. I know you are really disturbed about the explaination
i did on the L, but this was not meant to attack anybody personally. Gambians
allowed this illegal registration of birth certificates, which gave rights to
foreigners to claim citizenship, but they are paying for the price.
Regarding the ex-Libidorr Jazz Band saga as you called it, i will explain
everything to you, so that you will not be misinformed. I was working in Libya
up to 1981, when i was appointed by an Italian company ( Postinsubria ) as an
accountant. The company was building the Al-Fatah university in Tripoli, by then
your health minister Dr. Yankuba Gassama, Dr. Bakary J. Sonko and Nderey Touray
were studying at the University. Imam Baba Leigh was often visiting me at the
company. There i got a swedish friend, who introduced me to a Swedish-Saudi
company in Saudi Arabia where i was appointed for the same post as Accountant
and Sales Co-ordinator. I worked for the company for three years, and many
Gambians can confirm this to You, e.g Modou Alieu Barry, Olu Roberts and other
Gambia Airways staff who were coming to Saudi Arabia at that time. Even your
Blaise Jagne visited me, when he was there with the Jawara team on a visit. I
was earning up to D20.000 every month at that time, and i controlled most of our
projects in Saudi and other countries. I was not a musician, and was neither
interested in music business, but somebody promised to make business with me in
the Gambia, because i was sending my money to him every month. He advised me to
buy the instruments for the musical business, because he said it was badly
needed in Gambia. I was the most stupid fool to trust what an opportunist would
tell me, because my ex-boss wanted us to open a business in Europe, which i
rejected. I accepted and started buying instruments from Saudi Arabia and
England. I sent money to Bala Jahumpa, who bought most of the instruments from
England and sent them to Gambia. Confirm this with Pa Bala! When i got all the
instruments, and the money i had in Gambia plus my cash in hand at that time, i
was confident with what i had, i left my job and packed a container with my car
and all my things and came back to Gambia. Regrettably, promises were failed and
the business also failed as planned. Then my dear brother, could you kindly tell
the whole world about the ex-Libidorr saga you are talking about? I think you
should be honest to yourself to say what you know. I spent the best part of my
life hustling overseas with my pride and proudness to what i get. For your
information, i have studied music here and have better instruments than the ones
i had during Libidorr. So you better tell those Jealous people that I am
surviving. I know most of you envied us before 1994, so thank God you are able
to get / do what we were getting / doing. I am not sitting eggs, so i have no
fears to use "Jango names" or to say the truth to all of you. I have no hatred
for anyone of you. Just do the right thing, if you want to lead us. Stop the
killings / intimidatings / insultings and give us our rights. That`s all we need
from you guys. Once again, sorry if you feel disrespected with my postings.
Elhajj
YERO MAMA skrev:
> Mr.Fye!
> Well done for dissociating yourself from insults but...Read the
> following short story:
> (once upon a time a serer called Elhadj Abrakadabra Fight,visited a fulani
> community surrounded by green pastures and thick thickets.During a heated
> argument that ensued between the serer and those fulanis he was arguing
> with,Abrakadabra said that;the whole community were "birth certificate"
> magicians! Interestingly the poor serer realised the lopeholes within his
> accusation thus turned around and said:"except the borom dek")
> well...well...how can Pa Abou escape your whirling accusattions on Jokadu in
> this situation.
> This was so funny that it became a joke within the community...Are we seeing
> a typical serer repeat the above or...
> FOLLOWING YOUR ADVISE,I PROMISE YOU THAT MATTA WILL BE CALLED IN ORDER FOR
> ME TO KNOW THE OTHERSIDE OF THIS KUNTAYA-ATTACKER CALLED FYE(?)
> Matta,Baba and others won't only listen to me but they will snob you for
> that!
>
> APRC is not the party that creeps behind people and fabricate stories to its
> opponents' wives and parents only to tarnish the other side's image, No!
> Yes Amadou Lowe and Dudu Jome have the right to oppose.Yes sir! they do! and
> who am i to deny them that right?! Fye did u read my article carefully?
>
> WHAT I SAID ABOUT AMADOU LOWE WAS IN RESPONSE TO YOUR POINTS! YOU ARE THE
> VERY ONE WHO BROUGHT AMADOU'S NAME HERE...I was returning the ball to your
> court by asking you a simple question: As you had decided to choose Amadou
> as an example,and the latter was campaigning for the UDP/PPP/GPP coalition,i
> hope you didn't pass on to him and his team the tactics you learnt from
> Niumi and Jokadu on how to fabricate birth certificates?!
>
> Fye,you started a spiral of accusations and questions and belive me you have
> been entangled within your own making!
>
> Fye its only ALLAH who knows a "pure" serer or a "pure" peuhl!If you are one
> then lucky you.
> Fye before asking others about you,please call Omar khan and ask him who i
> am as well?
> Did you know that Omar's Baba's and Matta's Mom's family name is SEY?
> Did you know that Pa Abou Khan's first wife in life is of the same mother
> and Dad with my own mother's mother?
>
> Please give me break,your closeness for Baba and Matta is a teaspoon before
> mine as an ocean....
>
> Despite all that didn't Baba choose to oppose the APRC at his own will? Do
> you know how close a relative OJ is to the incumbent vice president?
> There is someone on this L who's married to direct niece of Waa Juwara and
> that person's own brother is one of Yahya's strongest supporters today! So
> politics for now is so DEMOCRATIC! Family ties and political approaches
> aren't the same! OK?!
>
> You should perform your daily "istih faar" for calling some people
> worshippers of a human being. Yahya himself worships ALLAH so he doesn't
> expect to be worshipped.
> However,the same ALLAH said:"YARZUQU MAN YASHAA'U"-HE shall bestow his
> blessings and give his luck to the one he deems fit for it.
> Fye, telling leaders the turth cannot be done through rudeness,rotten and
> callous attitudes.If you were the gentleman you are claiming to be here,why
> use words like "nonsense" in a simple argument?!
> Fye if u speak to Omar and others,ask them who Mam Amadou SEY and Mam Alpha
> Nalla were in kuntaya?!
>
> Fye the only time i would recognise the fact that you do not deserve the
> above title within your "toubab" friends is when you can identify the
> difference between truth and wishes!
>
> NB:Fye, if we are good at twisting questions then some of us here should
> have tried throwing light on the x libidor Jazz band's saga prior to flying
> to Saudi Arabia???
>
> Fye the use of "jango names" stems from the following reasons and not
> cowardice.
> 1/ The use of pseudonymes differentiates between official versions and
> personal ones...especially when the contrbutor is an insider.If i understand
> it very well the GL is a BANTABA and NOT THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL!
>
> 2/The other part of it is that;what of if i choose being called Yero and not
> Demba,whose business is it apart from
> Yero himself?!
>
> 3/Its obvious that many "experts" amongst your lineage are capable of
> knowing who writes or wrote what therefore why be scared?!
>
> 4/Fye,Are you convinced that a person like me is going to be scared by your
> likes?!(that must be the joke of the year if you believe so).
>
> Fye,please tell your friends that perceptions differ,thus if they see you as
> a gentleman so do others see me.You are ready to conserve your medal and be
> steadfast in trying to throw those of others into the ocean! Fye a "pure"
> serer should dwell in "pure truth!".
>
> Yeromama.
>
> "YEROMAMA PULORI GALO HAAWA BAROGEL N'DIMOU"
> "Speak the speeches and let the speeches not spit you."
>
> >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
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> >Yero,
> >This is the typical habits of your party members. When they are asked
> >simple
> >questions, they will start beating about the bush to escape the questions.
> >You
> >are very lucky to win another fives years, with the most cheapest ride on
> >earth.
> >Good luck! I want to tell you , that insulting people is not my style, so
> >you
> >better start questioning your party members to tell you who i am. You can
> >turn
> >to any of your members, because they know me very well. Regarding my
> >relationship with the late Alh. Abou Khan, you cannot put words into my
> >mouth,
> >but i will advise you to go and talk to Ya Yamundow Ceesay to tell you our
> >relationship with that family. Alpha, Omar, Baba, Ebou, Amadou, Mata and
> >the
> >rest of the family know me very well, so those people will never listen to
> >these
> >nonsenses you are saying here. You can just continue WORSHIPPING Yaya
> >Jammeh,
> >the day will come when God will prove to all of you, that HE is to be
> >worshipped
> >and not your fellow humanbeing. You should tell Yaya the truth! If your
> >party
> >believes they won a clean and decent elections, why attacking and arresting
> >the
> >loosers? I think he should have been more comfortable, with the huge
> >majority of
> >Gambian support he is enjoying, and not to continue harrassing /
> >intimidating
> >them. Don`t Amadou Lowe, Dodou Jome etc. you mentioned have their rights to
> >against the AFPRC ? You people should step down from your horses and treat
> >the
> >Gambian people fairly. No situation is permanent!
> >I would be very grateful, if you can change the heading of our discussion,
> >because i am living in a civilize democratic society, where people respect
> >the
> >rights of a humanbeing not to insult / intimidate / kill / maim them. I
> >have
> >European friends who read our mails, and it would be very disgraceful to
> >me, if
> >they read such a heading. So please do me that favour!
> >Elhajj.
> >
> >Ps.
> >Now that you won the election, could you kindly uncover your "Jango name ".
> >I am
> >a typical "Serrer" i will never use a "Jango name". What are you afraid of
> >?
> >
> >
> >YERO MAMA skrev:
> >
> > > My question in respect of the ministerial post was thus:
> > >
> > > What would have happened to any jokadu/niumi son or daughter! if people
> >like
> > > you had to become ministers of interior or health? If that Alhaji
> >Mustafa
> > > Fye who was POURING ON THIS L the best of eulogies towards Pa Abou khan
> >can
> > > turn around and push a dirty blame on the late oldman's district,then
> > > politics can turn some of our hounourable ones to serfs at the farthest!
> > >
> > > Quoting Amadou Lowe,Dudu Jome etc, can bring back an old wound were
> > > Dr.MOMODOU S K MANNEH may face more challenges Mr.Fye Birom! Mr! my
> >quick
> > > response wasn't based on guilt it was based on seperating husk from
> >basmati
> > > rice!
> > > You can think of all the fula tactics you have been witnessing there but
> > > always remember that Kuntaya or Saareh Kunta used to receive the "seven"
> > > boys from Banjul and our village's role was to instill discipline in
> >them.If
> > > you are really the Banjul-Jokadu "loumo" and "katsambaar" businessman
> >you
> > > are claiming to be,then i would refer you to Omar Ndow at Gamtel.
> > >
> > > With all indications,you are implying that people like me are so young
> >to
> > > know your likes that much,but Omar can be your agemate to tell you more
> >on
> > > that district you are accusing.Mr.Fye do not think that you can
> >blackmail
> > > the history of certain decent folk with whirling and blind accusations.
> > >
> > > Bour sine and Bour Saloum ruled up to those plains where me and you are
> > > calling jokadu,Niumi today...stretching to Kaur and beyond!
> > > So the "Senegalaisement" or "gambiennement" feelings cannot be seperated
> >by
> > > you Fye Birom either.
> > > Thank god that you have been pinned to accept that such "birth
> >certificate
> > > black markets" didn't start during our time(ie:APRC).
> > >
> > > Mr.Fye do you know about what other countries call economic citizens?
> >Ask
> > > the Canadians,Granada and so on?
> > > SO if i were to help our system get citizens to vote i would have got
> >loads
> > > from other nationals who can give us both the money and the votes! But
> >thats
> > > for the PPP because they know about it thats why its being used as a
> >last
> > > tool by trying to discredit the new guard.
> > > You are lost as far as political blackmailing is concerned,its only the
> >poor
> > > Jokadunkas that your likes can choose as prey.Unfortunately Mr.Fye
> >"Demba na
> > > gaaye deh".
> > >
> > > Mr.Fye if you know the N'dungu kebbeh "loumous",thats fine for those who
> >do
> > > not.I know that one of Farafeni,Nyaanga Bantang,Kaur,Dingiraaye,Keur
> > > Patteh(Baddibu) and so on.Mr.FYE if "loumos" are birth certificate
> >printing
> > > machines then there were a lot of them in the Gambia before a lot of us
> >went
> > > to face a blackboard!
> > >
> > > Mr.Fye in as much as we want to offend some and impress the rest lets
> >not
> > > become vicious and callous!
> > > By the way the Amadou Lowe you named was few weeks ago, campaigning for
> >the
> > > UDP/PPP/GPP coalition! Ha! Hope Fye Birom you didn't pass the tactics
> >you
> > > learnt from those Jokadunkas to Lowe's batch?
> > > Another thing bro is that,NOT ALL NIUMINKAS AND JOKADUNKAS VOTED FRO
> >YAHYA.
> > >
> > > Please drop your regionalistic feelings and be real! I am neither
> >defending
> > > the APRC nor my folk witin herds of cattle,instead i am calling your
> > > attention to realism!
> > >
> > > YERO.
> > >
> > > "YEROMAMA PULORI GALO HAAWA BAROGEL N'DIMOU"
> > > "Speak the speeches and let the speeches not spit you."
> > >
> > > >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: Re: PB certificates JOKADU and NIUMI scape goats or
> >justification?
> > > >Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 07:53:00 +0200
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> > > >Yero,
> > > >You were very quick to stand on the defence. Are you admitting that you
> > > >have
> > > >registered many foreigners in Banjul? This was not an easy thing during
> >the
> > > >PPP
> > > >era, because the mother`s notification of birth MUST traced at the
> >Medical
> > > >&
> > > >Health Dept. if you were born there. These dirty games started long
> >time
> > > >before
> > > >your party emerged in the political scene, so i am not accusing your
> >party
> > > >that
> > > >they started the game. I hope you have not added huge figures of
> >registered
> > > >foreigners. Regarding my reference to the Niumis and the Jokadu, i am
> >100%
> > > >sure
> > > >of what i have said. I was bringing containers in the early 90s and was
> > > >selling
> > > >most ogf my goods in the Niumis, Jokadu and in Senegal, so i got a very
> > > >good
> > > >interaction with people around these areas. I was not missing the black
> > > >market "
> > > >Loumohs " at Fass Njaga Choye, Kerr Jane and Ndungu Kebbeh to sell my
> > > >goods, so
> > > >people know me and i know them. I have nothing against a Jokadu or
> >Niumi
> > > >son
> > > >handling the ministerial posts of Health or Interior. Every Samba,
> >Kumba,
> > > >Demba, Saburu, Bicenty, Pateh, Pascal, Opaah and Apaye holds most of
> >our
> > > >important positions today, why not the good sons of Niumi? Before i
> >last
> > > >left
> > > >the Gambia in 1995, i remember there were so many Senegalease fishermen
> > > >"Chubaloh" from Barra to Albreda to Jokadu. I hope you did not register
> > > >them
> > > >just to get the victory you needed. The figures in the Niumis and
> >Jokadu is
> > > >huge
> > > >in my eyes or maybe there was a huge migration to these places after i
> >left
> > > >the
> > > >Gambia. If you turn to Amadou Lowe of Kerr Jarga Jobe or the people of
> > > >Kuntaya,
> > > >they will tell you that i know there very well. You should thank God,
> >you
> > > >helped
> > > >Yaya to get victory, by doing your " Fula games " without getting a
> >single
> > > >"
> > > >Serrer " on the road to block them. I am sure you are preparing more "
> >Fula
> > > >games " Good luck !
> > > >Elhajj
> > > >
> > > >YERO MAMA skrev:
> > > >
> > > > > Wow! thats the best bet i was waiting for on this forum!Jokadu being
> > > >tainted
> > > > > with fallacies! If Jokadu and Niumi can be shown as examples of
> > > >harbouring
> > > > > such "supposedly birth certificate deals" how about the "birth
> > > >certificate"
> > > > > black market that was uncovered by then Sgt.Baboucarr Sey at
> > > >Dippakunda?!
> > > > > That caused the sgt's transfer to Ndungu Kebbeh! He made friends and
> > > >enemies
> > > > > there but still it was relating to him arresting Gambian farmers who
> > > >were
> > > > > smuggling their gnuts to Senegal.Friend and jokadu attacker!
> >Baboucarr
> > > >was
> > > > > not serving under Jammeh at that time this was in the late eighties
> >and
> > > > > early nineties! Ask around you will know where i am coming from.
> > > > > The clique that hit Baboucarr and caused his transfer had more power
> >in
> > > > > Basse than in Jokadu and Niumi.
> > > > > So that apart how about a Banjulian that my own team arrested for
> > > > > fraudulently trying to obtain a passport for a Senegalese tailor?!
> > > > > Mister if we revisit even the recent history of the Gambia and
> >embark on
> > > > > authenticating birth certificates etc i believe you will have a ship
> > > >load in
> > > > > the capital and environs before reaching the provinces.
> > > > > O!GAMBIAL! Should i put wax on my ears or blind-fold my eyes?!
> > > > > This is one of the most irresponsible sentences that i have ever
> >read
> > > >here.
> > > > > Now how comfortable would a Jokadu and Niumi son have been if such
> > > >people
> > > > > were to become our minister's of interior or health?name it!
> > > > > I hope so regionalism isn't playing a part here.I do also hope so i
> > > >won't be
> > > > > branded as an "inferiority-complexed-stooge" "Haha...taaye ma rey!"
> > > > > I hope so that it is not these jOkadunka and Niuminka experts who
> >had
> > > >opened
> > > > > up files against me in the past?
> > > > >
> > > > > You see it will take a long time before some of you can appreciate
> > > >debating
> > > > > with my likes 'cause truth is absent and some believe that it is
> > > >present in
> > > > > this forum.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please do not justify wrong through regionalism! Any shortcoming be
> >it
> > > > > administrative or otherwise starts from Banjul itself.No Jokadunka
> >or
> > > > > Niuminka knows the way to the printing dept better than those who
> >were
> > > > > playing "n'jalbi n'jalaano" at KG five!
> > > > > Good bye and am awaiting more insults 'cause thats the weapon for
> >the
> > > >hidden
> > > > > commandos.So easy to be brave on Gambia l though!
> > > > > YEROMAMA.
> > > > >
> > > > > "YEROMAMA PULORI GALO HAAWA BAROGEL N'DIMOU"
> > > > > "Speak the speeches and let the speeches not spit you."
> > > > >
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