Joe,
This is an absolute rubbish! I will not waste my time on this nonsence
exchange. You are rushing again to judgement just as usual. Do you know that
I am not a member at the G-post? Where did Ebou send this mail? I think I
should ask you whether you are well ? Stop your speculations and leave
people with their views.
I, for one, will never change my stance of calling Yaya a tribalist, if this
is hurting you. You can say whatever you want.

Elhajj.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!


> You see, this is what I thought was going on and you just confirmed it.
> Elhajj, you really cannot separate Yaya the Jola and Jolas as a group.  To
> you, Yaya is a Jola, therefore, all Jolas are culpable for everything he
> does.  What nonsense!  While you are at it, why don't you say that I am in
> touch with Yaya privately and I'm an informant.  This is the sort of
> nonsense you will not sneak in here - tribalism.
>
> "You mention in one of your mails that Tombong said, the people shouting
on
> the G-L and the G-post are the followers of the Yaya sycophants. COULD YOU
> AND TOMBONG POINT YOUR FINGERS
> TO WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE ?"
>
> Since you brought this foreign subject up in this discussion, may be you
are
> one of those people and if the cap fits wear it.
>
> "Joe, you last went to Gambia in the year 2000, and you had no problem
with
> the Yaya government. As you said in your Tam Tam interview, you are always
> in touch with Gambia and
> you know everything happening on the ground. I think we have a different
> case."
>
> Elhajj, why don't you speak on something you know?  How the hell is
someone
> in the US going to be in tune with what happens on the ground if you do
not
> talk to those that can give you info., on the ground.  So, I should get
that
> info., from Sweden?  How does Ebrima Ceesay give us info. on the ground
from
> the UK?  Elhajj, are you well?
>
> "Joe, I agree with you that Yaya is surrounded by other tribes. But could
> you kindly tell us who are controlling the army ( carrying arms everyday )
> and all the other security positions?  Maybe you have some information
about
> that, more than the soldiers who were with them."
>
> Elhajj, if the Jolas are heading the Army, which I agree with, however,
they
> are not even a tenth in the Army, and Yaya is still in power, don't common
> sense tell you that the Leaders in the army and the rest are what is
keeping
> Yaya in power?  Are you that naive?  The last time I checked, Mandingoes
are
> the majority in the army, why do you think Yaya is still in power, 10
years
> and counting, Sherlock?  Again, common sense should tell you that
sycophancy
> and self interest in all aspects of Gambian life is what is keeping Jammeh
> in power, the army included.  Yours and mine in the army are?  Elhajj, I
do
> not speak of Gambians in terms of their ethnicity and your silly comments
> are not going to make me start.  What I can guarantee you is that I shall
> challenge any of you that want to use the ethnicity card to polarize
> Gambians.  Yaya is a tribalist, but you are not that far from him with
your
> views.  Yaya will Kill Elhajj because he is Serrer and spare Joe because
he
> is Jola.  Are you on crack?
>
> Remember, not too long ago, you were in bed with Ebou Jallow when he was
> Yaya's Jali, how did that happen?  You were in bed with a known thief and
> liar and was willing to defend him at all cost, now you going to come here
> and trip about being the "Most Wanted" by Yaya.  Did you say zilch when
Ebou
> begged Yaya for mercy and his campaign on behalf of Yaya subsequently,
> barely a year ago?  Where  were you with your anti Yaya stance, then?
> You'll embarked on religious hypocrisy and made so much noise blessing
each
> other right here.  However, where were you when Ebou was all over Islam
and
> Mohammed?  Again hypocrisy and inconsistency.  Just in case you slide into
> selective amnesia, were you not the same fellow that brought up the issue
of
> the first republic any time someone said anything about Yaya, not too long
> ago?  You remember when myself and Yus were on your case then?   Rest
> assured, this tribalism nonsense of yours will be dealt with anytime you
or
> anyone try to use it to polarize Gambians.  That you can take to the bank.
>
> Chi Jaama
>
> Joe Sambou
>
>
>
>
> >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!
> >Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:22:12 +0200
> >
> >Joe,
> >I, for one, have NEVER changed my stance of calling Yaya a tribalist,
armed
> >thief, armed murderer, Tony Daaba and Armuumin. I stand firm by what I am
> >writing,
> >and saying in all the midia houses. You mention in one of your mails that
> >Tombong said, the people shouting on the G-L and the G-post are the
> >followers of the Yaya sycophants. COULD YOU AND TOMBONG POINT YOUR
FINGERS
> >TO WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE ?  I care less about what these sycophants
> >are having, and be rest assured that another government will recover
every
> >single butut they stole from the Gambian people. Joe, you last went to
> >Gambia in the year 2000, and you had no problem with the Yaya government.
> >As
> >you said in your Tam Tam interview, you are always intouch with Gambia
and
> >you know everything happening on the ground. I think we have a different
> >case. Yaya will not hesitate to murder me, if I step my foot in Gambia. I
> >left Gambia in 1994 after I was harassed and my passport seized, and I
have
> >never returned there again. I passed through the airport without a
passport
> >returning back to Sweden with the last SPIES flight in 1994, and I really
> >have no information about what is going on on the ground. So pls., both
you
> >and Tombong should tell us who the sycophants followers are, rather than
> >using ironical words on the G-L and G-P. I will never associate myself
with
> >these people, who are having Gambian blood on their hands. The ghosts of
> >our
> >innocent brothers and children are hunting them both day and night, so
> >these
> >people have their own problems with no end of sleepless nights. I care
much
> >about my pride and not the worldly goods, which all of us will leave
> >behind.
> >Even their boss Tony Daabaa does not have that blessing for me to follow
> >him, to get some of his stolen wealth.  Joe, I agree with you that Yaya
is
> >surrounded by other tribes. But could you kindly tell us who are
> >controlling
> >the army ( carrying arms everyday ) and all the other security positions?
> >Maybe you have some information about that, more than the soldiers who
were
> >with them.
> >
> >Elhajj.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:49 PM
> >Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!
> >
> >
> > > Binneh, thanks for your response.  We both agree that Yaya is a
> >tribalist
> > > and would use anyone to that end.  However, unlike Rwanda, the
majority
> >that
> > > are doing Yaya's dirty work are the sycophants that run the whole
ethnic
> > > spectrum, thus my mention of Mandinka, Wolof, and Fula, etc., not just
> > > Mandinka alone.  I care less what Yaya's ethnicity is, just like I
care
> >less
> > > what religion he is.  I am not constrained by tribe, religion,
> >friendship,
> > > bloodlines or any of those baseless leanings, thus, I'm surprised by
the
> > > insinuation.  I also never mentioned a RED anything in my response, so
I
> >do
> > > not know why the reference in your response.  When you said:
> > >
> > > "Majority versus minority feelings feelings that are being provoked by
> >one
> > > leader and HIS FOLLOWERS for political and selfish reasons."
> > >
> > > Who are the followers, ARPC or Jolas?  I say the followers are APRC,
and
> > > they run the entire ethnic spectrum.  Please correct me if I'm
mistaken.
> > >
> > > "The nocturnal dances that Yahya organizes at his village every day
have
> >an
> > > underlying ethnocentric meaning. He projects those dances on national
TV
> > > while other tribes are watching with anger.Journalists are obliged to
> > > concentrate on projecting the traditional  displays of one tribe(being
> >his)
> > > on national TV."
> > >
> > > We agree on what Yaya does above.  However, I'm also saying that the
> >other
> > > tribes that you say are watching are the APRC folks that includes
Jolas.
> > > Again, it is not ethnicity but the sycophancy of all around him.
Please
> > > correct me if I am mistaken.
> > >
> > > "These tribes men use machetes,knives and other things to show other
> >tribes
> > > that they are spiritually powerful and that is appealing which is
> >fuelling
> > > hidden reactions within other circles back home."
> > >
> > > Now, we are not talking about Yaya here, but a group.  Am I right in
> >that
> > > assumption?
> > >
> > > "Why doesn't Yahya invite other tribes and ethnic groups to display
and
> >then
> > > he sells that to the outside world as one Gambia?"
> > >
> > > Again, we agree that Yaya is a tribalist.
> > >
> > > "Within Yahya's own ethnic group there are people who he sees as
> >inferior
> > > because his own immedaitely family geneology are better when it comes
to
> > > such magical powers.Yahya's myopic ethno! centric and paternalistic
> >feelings
> > > are meant to provoke an ethnic conflict."
> > >
> > > Yes, I agree with your first sentence, that Yaya is a tribalist.
> >However,
> >I
> > > do not see the link in your second, because the sycophants that
surround
> >him
> > > are not only Jola, but across all ethnic groups.  So, who is going to
> > > conduct the ethnic cleansing for him?  I suppose not FJC et al, for
they
> > > control what goes on in that country.
> > >
> > > Minteh, please understand that there is Yaya as an individual and a
> >Jola,
> > > and there are innocent Jolas that are anti what Yaya stands for, just
> >like
> > > you.  What I will challenge is the use of Yaya as a Jola to make
> >spillover
> > > statements that will unduly characterize other Jolas and I would have
> > > reacted if the same was said about any ethnic group.  Like I told
Elhajj
> >a
> > > while back, there is a difference between discussing Yaya's tribalism
> >and
> > > making tribalistic statements.  The former is the description of the
> > > behavior of an individual and the latter is the smearing of a whole
> >group
> > > wrongly.  The sycophants that do the damage in Gambia is what is
> >bringing
> > > Gambia down and not Yaya's ethnicity, even though Yaya is a tribalist.
> >The
> > > only way you can have ethnic cleansing is when the entire leadership
is
> >from
> > > a homogeneous group.  Can you say that about Gambia and those around
> >Yaya?
> > > I also do not think of Gambians in terms of ethnicity and would
> >challenge
> > > any regardless ethnicity, religion, friendship, or blood lines if I
> >disagree
> > > with their position.  Mine was not to critisize you but to argue that
it
> >is
> > > sycophancy that is destroying us and not Yaya's stupid tribalism, thus
> >my
> > > examples of who is around him.
> > >
> > > I also think we have more in common in getting Yaya and the APRC out
and
> > > that, you can take to the bank.
> > >
> > > Chi Jaama
> > >
> > > Joe Sambou
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Binneh S Minteh <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!
> > > >Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:34:52 -0500
> > > >
> > >
> > > >From: Binneh S Minteh <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!
> > > >Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:34:52 -0500
> > > >
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