Haruna,
What the heck do you know about Obama's south side of Chicago's background or history, I have lived in Chicago for almost 14 years now and can tell you that your facts "assumptions" are freaking ridiculous, you are just another pondant, indeed a tribble one if i may note. I met and had a conversation with the man, he is a gentleman and an honourable one infact.
I have been a member of he Gambia-L for a long time now, i have read great stories and views from different contributors but you are just a freaking "bull-shitter" who seems to have views on every topic.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ousman Ceesay <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 5:47 pm
Subject: Re: John Edwards/ Haruna
Haruna wrote:
"When you delve deeper into Obama's activities in South Chicago, you will come
o the realisation that there are other communities in Chicago that were
own-trodden for one reason or the other. But Obama chose these other
own-trodden people of South Chicago. Edwards running as senator in North
arolina fought for the down-trodden in other areas of North Carolina, South
arolina, Georgia, Louisiana, Tennessee, Massachussetts, Alabama, and
alifornia."
The comparison here is kinda moot. Obama graduated from Harvard and chose to
rganize a community blighted by factory closings.Were there other communities
n similar situations? You bet. You still have them all over this country today.
owever comparing the efforts of a recent college graduate (Obama) with that of
candidate(Edwards) running for state wide office is a stretch. For starters
he former is just scrapping by while the latter has the resources of a campaign
o amplified his message.
Edwards maybe the son of mill workers, but he hasn't organize those communities
hen the mills closed down. Instead he lawyered on and made millions in the
rocess. I am not mad at him for going for the benjamins.However, in comparison
o Obama, he is johnny come lately when it comes to advocating for the poor.
He has a populist message, but some of his approach to solving poverty issues
re elitist. Take for instance the poverty center he sponsored at University of
orth Carolina to bring policy experts to study how to get people out of
overty.This kind of policy studies has been going on in almost all elite
niversities in the country albeit under different names. A community organizer
ike Obama with that kind of mullah will go with practical solutions rather than
unding centers to produce some more policy papers. There is a gloat of policy
apers rotting in institutions all over this country. The problem is lack of
unds for implementation.
Alright, I have riled you up enough for the night. I will sit back and
elax...waiting for the cult of Edwards to kick in...incoming....
aruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Haruna," Jabou.
es Darling, how are you. I like the way you speak and what you say always.
ou have an immensely powerful voice fertilized, as our friend Karim is wont
o drammatize, by prolific study, acumen, and measured tone. Any candidate
ould like to have your support. I'm not giving up on Ousman either. I love him
very much. Just don't get any funny ideas Ousman.
I do not know that what Edwards can represent to the American people is
ot the same as what Obama will." Jabou.
was under the same impressions too. Then I began a study of senators who
ater run for President in a revolutionarily different way that reviews
arginal values. There is a wealth of information that when properly reviewed
r
eviewed in the directions of questions one might have when making marginal
istinction assessments, you will come away with a benign but discerning
onclusion. If you review the matters/bills that Clinton, Obama, and Edwards
ave
ffered votes on in the senate, (not the ones Obama and Clinton conveniently
bsented themselves on for expediency sakes), you can draw important
emographic information from their affect on Americans, both in quantity and
uality
hat has brought me to the conclusion that Edwards is a more valuable change to
more Americans than either Obama or Clinton. I had also come to the
onclusion that Obama will be a more valuable change to immigrant Americans
han
ither Edwards or Clinton, and that Clinton is the hungriest of them all to
ecome President. Take a look at how many bills Obama and Clinton absented
hemselves from voting on and find out what those bills are. Then look at the
ills
ll three voted on and you will notice that Edwards never absented himself
rom voting on critical and significant matters as well as those matters that
re politically inexpedient to vote on. A solid human.Let us know how your
eview looks like.
Also, I do not think that there is any indication that Obama beileves in
eligion as other than a moral compass." Jabou.
robably not and I did not qualify Obama's belief in that realm. I shared
dwards' belief in the realm.
bama had recognized the value of religious congregations and the almost
omplete patronage of evangelists by Republicans. Given his political
ndustriousness, he embarked on a campaign to wrest a slice of this section of
ociety
rom Republicans and rightly so. I happen to believe that you neither court
or discount the religious evangelist vote. You allow them to choose without
iving the facade of their participation as a group in governance and
dministration of the state. An active campaign to woo them trends too closely
o
uid-pro-quo and if you do not deliver their perceived quid, they can severely
align your administration. Only a seasoned governor and policy-maker can
ecognize these subtle flaws in character. Because as you know, the evangelists
are active voters and they vote in order to skew public policy in favour of
heir religion. They do not hide their intentions and motives. It takes a
trong character to resist the temptation to maligned judgement. When you ask
bama, he frames his responses this way:
We have to show America that Democrats too care about religion". That
tatement itself says a lot about his dispensation. Jabou, I know that you are a
devout muslim. Have you ever felt like you have to show me and Suntou and
alanding how much you care about Islam? If you begin to run for President, and
you then embark on an active campaign to show us how much you care about Islam,
whether that is good or not, would it not give me pause in distinctions? Our
friend Ousman shared that Obama fought for the downtrodden in the south side
f Chicago. I will share more on this later but that southside vote was what
ained Obama the state seat against an incumbent democrat, also African
merican. When you delve deeper into Obama's activities in South Chicago, you
ill come to the realisation that there are other communities in Chicago that
ere down-trodden for one reason or the other. But Obama chose these other
own-trodden people of South Chicago. Edwards running as senator in North
arolina fought for the down-trodden in other areas of North Carolina, South
arolina, Georgia, Louisiana, Tennessee, Massachussetts, Alabama, and
alifornia.
peak with Jimmy Carter and ask him to share his views on Obama and Edwards. He
will tell you he loves both of them but that Edwards is more valuable to all
merica than Obama. It is not because Edwards is white and more Americans
re white that is why we say this. It is because of the quality of his values
nd since African Americans are disproportionately disenfranchised in all
tates, they received the value of Edwards' efforts more than Whites. Edwards
oes not apologise for that. When the question arose in one of the debates
bout
bama being black and Clinton being a woman, John Edwards responded, and in
ublic, that whoever does not vote for Obama because he is black, or Clinton
ecause she is a woman, he, John Edwards does NOT want your vote. Now the
ntrained eye will view this as political suicide and indeed it costed Edwards
ome white support because they began labelling him as an angry candidate. Of
ourse they cannot make a distinction between anger and passion and half of
hose idiots belong in an insane asylum anyways, we just don't have a
omprehensive mental health intitution in the US that is why some of these
etards
ind their way on talk shows and radio programs and TV interviews. Obama has a
een eye on the Presidency, has had even before the "grassroots downtrodden
dvocacy" in SOuth Shitown.
As for being beholden to corporate America, well, all American presidents
re somewhat beholden to corporate America, and the difference is perhaps just
matter of degrees." Jabou.
et us say you are right in the immediate above. You are therefore admitting
hat corporate America does command inordinate and a formidable power to
oerce American Presidents. The same will therefore be true of Evangelic
merica. Now Edwards actually challenged the powers of corporate America in the
court of law and won overwhelmingly. He therefore helped stem the cancer in
orporate America and enhanced the good in it for the prosperity of America. In
his campaign speeches when he ran with Kerry and now, he has always served
otice that he is immune to corporate control, no matter how formidable that may
be. And another thing. I think your recognition that both Edwards and Obama
ill represent refreshing change in the American Presidency gives you hope that
the two will be different from past American Presidents. We all therefore
ake solace in the idea of an Edwards or Obama Presidency. You will however
gree with me that in America, Just being President does not innoculate the
rdinary American from the relentl;ess onslaught of Pharmaceutical and other
orporate interests. We must therefore go further than just the Presidency if
t
s the refreshing change we are really interested in. It has come to light
hat most of Obama's advisors are leftover Clinton advisors. You may remmember
hen one of those advisors disrespectfully tried to malign the former
resident Bill Clinton. And Obama shared with us that the former Clinton
dvisor was
speaking of his past relations with Bill Clinton and therefore he, Obama is
ot privy to that and cannot say anything on it. And the former Clinton
dvisor is now an Obama advisor. Discernments. I also would like our brother
nd
riend Ousman to share with us one tangible value accrued from Obama's
campaign for down-trodden votes in south SHitown". It is evident that the
nited
teel workers of America, The united Mine Workers of the same nation, The
arpenters Union, and many more see more value in John Edwards than Obama,
linton, or other. Is there a national union of the un-employed of South
hicago? We
ay be presented with mirages of "grassroots campaign for votes" and
grassroots conscientious advocacy".
Having said that, Obama has spoken out against the insurance companies who
re at the top of the food chain when it comes to corporate America because
hey own just about everything." Jabou.
xactly my point Jabou. First, you should never speak against any corporate
r individual interest because they own just about everything. That is the
rong impetus. Now John Edwards did not stop at speaking out against rogue
orporate policies, he challenged them in courts on the behalf of Americans and
overcame their enormous powers. He is only a lawyer as was Obama. Has Obama
iled suit against any rogue corporate policy on the behalf of the common
merican? Those insurance companies he "spoke out against", has he challenged
hem
n a court of law on the merits or demerits of his disdain of them? Obama
as head of the Harvard Law Review. If Obama finds himself in a situation where
vote-counting can yield a loss of his election to a Republican candidate,
hat do you think will happen? What do you think Obama will do?
You are right, I like both Edwards and Obama, and I think that Edwards is a
reat candidate, but I do not think that he will win the primaries." Jabou.
think you are looking at the polls of those who view Edwards as an angry
andidate. Look deeper and follow the citizens of Iowa, New Hampshire, South
arolina, and Nevada. We are talking about primaries aren't we???? Check
round your neck of the woods around Cleveland Tennessee, Chattanooga,
emphis,
ashville, Jackson, Milan, etcetera. Let us know what you find out.
He is good but America sees him as having been part of the old
stablishment even if only because he ran before." Jabou.
know you're just being sarcastic here. Who among all candidates,
epublican or Democratic, has not been part of the old Establishment. Don't be
wayed
y cliches of these lunatics who fell through the administrative cracks for
ack of enough space at rehab.
I think Obama on the other hand stands a very good chance of winning the
rimaries and Americans are angry enough at the republicans so that none of
heir candidates stands a chance in the national elections, no matter who they
re." Jabou.
ndeed Jabou. I agree with you. Obama does stand a very good chance of
inning at least one of the primaries if not all. As far as the anger of
mericans
t Republicans, I presume you share that all the democratic candidates stand
qual chances when pitted against a Republican. We can all cherish that but
et us focus for now on the voting democrats for the democratic primaries.
hat we are trying to discern is "EDwards, Obama, or Clinton, who represents the
most valuable and desirable change for Democratic Americans". After the
rimaries, we will change our effort by removing the word democratic from our
uery.
So a wonderful and winning strategy for Democrats this time would be an
bama/Edwards ticket." Jabou.
hat wouldn't be a bad ticket either. If that ends up being the ticket it
ould be formidable. It will be more formidable against the Republicans in all
f America if it turns out to be Edwards-Biden, Edwards-Clinton,
dwards-Obama, or Edwards-Gore. What do you think????
Together, they can restore the hopes of the people and make great headway
owards reversing the damage that the last 8 years of a Bush Administration
as done" Jabou.
nything is a refreshing change from the last 8 years of cluelessness.
Thanks for providing the link to Ousman's blog, I had not known of it
efore. As for Andrew Young Ousman, he dances to the music of corporate America
and so he has to pay the piper so no surprises there. He has now made a career
f leading the pillagers and plunderers into Africa. Dr King is no doubt
urning in his grave." Jabou.
his is not fair. I have contributed in forming a comprehensive alliance
gainst my person and Edwards' person. This is not fair Jabou and Ousman. The
wo of you simply are too overwhelming even if I summon the entire essence of my
very being. Please have mercy on me from here on in or pledge not to gang up
against me and Edwards.
"Jabou"
hat Friggin-ever. You mean Jabou and Ousman, don't you?? Whew. New
ambians!!
aruna.
----Original Message-----
rom: Haruna Darbo
o: [log in to unmask]
ent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:26 pm
ubject: Re: John Edwards/ Haruna
Jabou, you know you are beautiful. I can never get upset at you.
I think you like both John Edwards and Obama, but that you like Obama more
ecause his election will represent much needed change.
Would you consider that the election of John Edwards will also represent
hange?
The work therefore is in discerning between John Edwards and Obama, who is
he more desirable change!!!
Now, like you about John Edwards, I like Obama a lot because I think he is
rilliant, popular, and his election will give hope to a lot of Immigrant
mericans.
John Edwards not only represents hope for more Americans than Obama, he has
hown the value of the change that he may accrue us. I have not had the
pportunity to witness a sampling of Obama's change except that he looks
ifferent
rom past presidents.
John Edwards' One America Foundation offers some hope.
ohn Edwards' rebuilding efforts in the Lower Ninth ward offer hope in what
merica can be.
ohn Edwards fought with Huge corporate outfits on the behalf of regular
nd
ommon Americans, and John Edwards and Obama are both lawyers.
enator John Edwards of North carolina will get dirty for you and with you.
orth Carolina used to be the home of Senator Jesse Helms.
ohn Edwards enjoys enormous peer support and the most endorsements from
emocratic governors of states than either Obama or Clinton.
ohn Edwards is more electable across the United states than any candidate
urrently seeking the presidency, Republican or Democrat. Check the stats.
ibby Edwards is beautiful and is not beholden to corporate America. Mrs.
bama is beautiful but may be beholden to corporate America. She sits on the
oard of Walmart.
ohn Edwards is handsome and is not given to religious distinctions nor
oes
e believe religion ought to be mixed with governance. John Edwards
elieves
n Religion as moral and ethical compass, not administrative compass.
Obama is good. John Edwards is more valuable to all America. Edwards-Obama
ay be formidable. What do you think my dear? Lemme know, Lemme know!! You
now
usman is an Obama-head!!! Don't you??
Your friend and colleague Haruna.
In a message dated 12/13/2007 8:40:01 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Haruna,
I both like and have a great deal of respect for John Edwards and his wife
lizabeth for many reasons, some of which are mentioned below. However, I
m
n Obama supporter myself. I also think Obama has a better chance of
eing
lected because among other things, he is seen as the "change" candidate
y
country that desperately needs change and Hillary ain't it. Infact, I
hink Hillary has turned into a "snake oil sales lady" and she is
verything to
everyone in her zeal to be president and I do not trust her at all and the
est of the country is beginning to see through her. I think that Edwards'
est
shot will be as a V.P for Obama. I think together they would make an
wesome
eam.
ow, now, don't get too upset.
abou
----Original Message-----
rom: Haruna Darbo
o: [log in to unmask]
ent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 6:49 pm
ubject: I wish to share John Edwards with you:
e just concluded another conference call with David Medina, the national
ampaign director for John Edwards.
We are excited about the prospects for a John Edwards Presidency. We are
leased to have the support of Harry Belafonte and Danny Glover in South
arolina. Our gratitude to the United Steel workers Union, The Mine Workers
nion,
he Carpenters Union, and Friends of the Earth Action Network. I am proud
f
ohn Edwards' performance in the just concluded democratic candidate debate
sponsored by the Des Moines Register. John Edwards is humble, intelligent,
nd
tands up for the Common American even on unpopular issues. He has vision
nd
haracter, attributes that are extremely valuable to American foreign
olicy
nd stature in the world.
We would like volunteers to assist in South Carolina, Iowa, Nevada, and
ew
Hampshire. We also wish to ask for your financial support if your time will
ot allow volunteering. Please visit us at _http://www.johnedwards.com_
http://www.johnedwards.com) and thank you for your support and company
oward
ne-America.
Haruna.
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