Ma Yero, how are you? Hope well.
I have read your notes below "In defense of Gainako" and I know you have  
taken some time putting it together. It presumes Gainako, "a newspaper" is  
aversed. And that Haruna is a culprit. It also ignores Gainako's aversion of  
other. In the main, it is the most incoherent and disingenuous rambling I have  
ever read. I will share with you how I came to that conclusion.
 
 
[In a message dated 8/23/2008 4:34:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[log in to unmask] writes:
Hi Bro Haruna,
In Defesne of Gainako]

 
Ma Yero, I think this recognises that Gainako as a newspaper bears  liability 
for the actions of its proprietors chief among whom are Demba and  Yero.

[After you and Demba came this far, I will humbly join in to give full  
assurance of this matter resting now.] Yero.
 
You have my full assurance that I did not consider you to have been engaged  
in the matter to begin with. I understood your reaction to be one of a 
partisan  defender as you shared above. You did not understand the matter proper much 
 less be significantly engaged in it. Your interest lied in Haruna's possible 
 tribal bigotry and Haruna's "personal life" of which disjointed pieces were  
shared with you. In time and when necessary, I will educate you more on 
Haruna's  personal life since there is so much interest in it.
 
[From my part, I apologize for my equating harsh comments emanating from  
impulses that any one else would have felt, especially with your directive  
insults at Gainako and with all the name-calling you attached to it.]  Yero.
 
You are too funny Yero. How far have I come with Demba to warrant your  
apology for "equating harsh comments" with my person? I think the more  significant 
exercise will have been to determine if the harsh comments were  TRUE. That 
is what our fellow community members would learn from perhaps to  develop 
themselves. You must understand that even though the truth hurts, not  all harsh 
comments may be true. And you are well within reason or your  privilege to issue 
harsh comments to anyone at anytime. For example; Although  accusing someone 
of being a "tribalist bigot" sounds harsh, if it is true, our  fellow 
community members ought to be concerned about that and either render the  bigot benign 
or extricate him/her from their more honourable company. Likewise,  and to a 
lesser significant degree, my promising disparate folk residence  at my ranch 
that I do not even have, my cutting-off ties with my  parents and family 
members, my cutting off "God", my promises of an  Armitage Fund, cows for Basse 
folk (no matter the number), etcetera  to determine hypocrisy on my part, if 
true, portend an onerous and an  unreliable partner in "your struggle" whatever 
that is.
 
[The apology is to all readers, you included, because everyone here deserve  
something better.] Yero.
 
Yero, I am touched that you issue an apology to me because you think I  
deserve better. I cannot speak for all other readers. Just Haruna. To the extent  
my perspective mirrors that of other readers, Fehr Dinkum. What I do not  
understand is whether you apologise for embarassing me or for hurling gratuitous  
insults at my person and family? And whether the apology is because you have  
revealed some uncomfortable truths about Haruna that may anger me? As a member  
of a newspaper staff and proprietorship as you shared with us that you are a  
'consortium of Gainako', you risk opening Gainako up to other liabilities  of 
tort, libel, and slander. That is what I will be more careful of if I were  
you than offending Haruna or other.

[I encourage you to keep your hand  and effort ever more active.] Yero.
 
Not to worry Yero. The course of my life is very clear to me and is  
unrelated to Yero's fancy.
 
[That part is commendable.] Yero.
 
Is it?
 
[From the get-go, after permission from Fatou, I sent you a private mail  
giving you her phone number, so you can laise directly with her.] Yero.
 
I thank you for sending me Fatou's number so I may liaise with  her.
 
[That was after my observation of your continuos threading about her.]  Yero.
 
I am glad you observed my 'continuous threading about Fatou at the  time].
 
[In the past, I have taken the extra step to call you on your phone to  
register my disapproval of your profane tone.] Yero.
 
Yero, this sounds nice but I'm afraid it is not true.
1. You called me incessantly to assure me of things you were doing  regarding 
"United Gambians" so you may take advantage of my pledge.
2. Those were not 2-way calls because in about five of them, you expressed  
frustration that you are not able to reach me and that I do not return your  
calls. 
3. I stopped taking your calls when I recognised disingenuity in your  
demarche.
 
[I could have done the same because I know your knuckle-head will not have  a 
choice but to listen.] Yero.
 
I suppose this time and a couple of months ago were the appropriate times  
for your profanities.
 
[Despite Demba being an editor of Gainako, the latest press release is  
carried by all online media outlets.]
 
I am aware of that. Yero, I don't know if you are stupid or you are  
pretending to be so. Please do me a favour and read the culprit mail from Demba  and 
you come here and share with us whether you saw Demba FORWARDING a  press 
release or not. It is evident that you defaultively clueless about  the extant 
matter between Demba (and by extension Gainako) and myself. 
 
[and  Poor Demba was not acting as an editor this time around but as  an 
associate of the GPU-USA.] Yero.
 
Poor Demba my beautiful black arse. I shudder at the prospect of Demba  
acting as an editor when this to you was general par for the course.  FYI, in that 
culprit mail, Demba was not acting as an "associate of GPU-USA".  Look at it 
again. I also know that Galleh had shared GPU-USA's website with us  and I had 
visited the site on various occasions. Besides, remember you shared  with us 
that the GPU-USA press release was shared with all newspapers.
 
[The debate was placed before the GPU mailing list to which most online  
papers are subcribed. The green light was okayed by the GPU's Secretary General,  
Baba Galleh Jallow. In fact the piece was written way before the Buba Jawo  
verdict, only to be modified after the verdict.] Yero.
 
Yero, why would you find it necessary to share the deliberations of the  
GPU-USA here with us. Even if you are part of the executive of GPU-USA (which I  
seriously doubt), you may not be the proper person to inform the public about  
her deliberations. And what does the activities of GPU-USA have to do  with 
Demba and Gainako's aversion of Haruna????? Invoking Galleh's  name here will 
not get you anywhere with me.
 
[If you had/still have any redflags to raise about that, I again join you  in 
good spirit to challenge the GPU-USA's entire executive while constructively  
critisizing them for the part you believed they erred.] Yero.
 
Oh brother. I think you will be shocked Yero to learn that I was not aware  
of the deliberations of GPU-USA or the press-release prior to its publication.  
How then can I have red-flags or green-flags about that??? Jesus friggin  
Christ. Besides, I think you will agree with me that if I have flags about  any 
Press-Release from anyone or organisation, it will be highly presumptuous of  
me to raise those flags before or after publication of such Releases. For what  
its worth, I want to share with you that the Press-Release of the GPU-USA  
regarding Fatou was well written and appropriate. It registers the GPU-USA's  
utter disdain for magistrate Jawo's graft and Yahya's complicity in't. And my  
own comments are in line with those sentiments. So I hope you will cease this  
futile effort to draw a phantom wedge between Haruna and the GPU-USA, no  
matter her executive membership. Allah boni.
 
[If it is Demba you had a problem with, you are also fine to engage him  
constructively.] Yero.
 
Yes it is Demba and by extension Gainako who I had a problem with.  And it is 
not significant what manner you desire me to engage these  entities. The 
manner of engagement is the purview of the aversed in this  case.
 
[The same applies to Gainako as well, but you cannot use insults and  
name-calling and then think people will swallow it while biting their throats  
without you getting a share of that cake.] Yero.
 
I know because your understanding is limited, you will live to hear insults  
and name-calling until you are trained on sobriety and due-diligence. It will 
be  up to you how you swallow them or how you bite your throat at their  
audience.
 
[These apologies we are making now can follow after a bitter tussle, after  
all has been placed in their proper places. We will debate you right here, and  
you will never see any headline about you on Gainako regarding the matter,  
because we make no difference with here and there.] Yero.
 
I don't know what you're talking about here. Headlines at Gainako are  
insignificant to me at this time.
 
[If you don't insult us, we will never insult you. We don't make any  
difference with you and everyone else.] Yero.
 
That is good. Now act like you know what you're saying.
 
[Infact, these forums are way older than Gainako. Gainako is a complement  
for these forums and its educators.] Yero.
 
Yero, I want to inform you that Gainako is a private enterprise. It may be  
overzealous and presumptuous to regard Gainako as a complement to Ellen. I 
think  you mean Gainako strives to be a complement to Ellen. The reason I bring 
this to  your attention is that you are not sure if the subscribers to Ellen 
wish to  associate themselves with Gainako. I think you are by now certain that 
Haruna  must not be forcibly associated with Gainako nor is Haruna's 
intellectual  property to be stolen by Gainako. You must be satisfied with our  friends 
here to explicitly associate themselves or their thoughts with  Gainako. Do 
not assume it or expect it. I think you are now beginning to see the  light. You 
must remember that just because Yero thinks all Gambians must  rally around 
Gainako for some unidentified struggle, that we should be  glad to be 
associated with Gainako without our express permission or  acquiescence. I know your 
imagination runs wild. 

[Ditto: See,  it is a small world. If information I am getting from Seattle 
is to go by,  Demba's Madam is a best friend to your blood sister.] Yero.
 
What does Demba's Madam and or her friendship with my sister in  Seattle have 
to do with anything? What an idiot?????????
 
[Probably, that has nothing to do with things here.] Yero.
 
You are right. It has absolutely nothing to do with Demba and Gainako's  
aversion of other. Anywhere.
 
[Sister F. Dibba is fine and thanks for her intervention in pouring some  
sense in your head.] Yero.
 
What does Sister F. Dibba have to do with intervention or pouring some  sense 
in my head? I think you meant her interventions with you and pouring  some 
sense in your head. Can you explain more to us? 
 
[She probably won't remember me from the Gambia, but we were all frequent  at 
the beach side. And Ebony her!] Yero.
 
Yero, I hate to break it to you but your relation with YayiNana is  
insignificant to me or the current matter of Haruna V. Demba bda  Gainako.
 
[As to my relation with Demba, the same as you here and any one else,  
because everyone is my brother/sister/uncle/mum, et cetera...but Demba's  
association with me in team GON, must not be mistaken for my defense of him and  
Gainako.] Yero.
 
Likewise, your relation with Demba is not as significant as your liability  
in Gainako. I didn't know you were defending Demba and Gainako per se.  I could 
have sworn you were defending your tribe and heritage from a tribal  bigot. 
Wow!!
 
[I will defend anyone else including Global Democracy] Yero.
 
If you mean The Global Democracy Project, I here and now relieve you of the  
burden to defend that entity. And please don't take it upon yourself to 
attempt  to defend The GDP because you think you are doing the right thing. I am 
afraid  you will defend The GDP without understanding why. So please, attend to 
your  affairs at Gainako.
 
[if some one was to come out in a manner unacceptable, hence I am here in  
search of the truth.] Yero.
 
You cannot properly identify what is acceptable among the human family, so  
again, I personally relieve you of any burden to defend The GDP. As far as your 
 search for the truth is concerned, I would just offer this tidbit of advice; 
We  get the capacity to search for anything including the truth, from 
parental  and associative discipline. Otherwise we may not know if we eventually  
find the truth.
 
[If the truth fails to prevail, the same way I voolunteered to be here, it  
will be my route home.] Yero.
 
This is what I mean. You must have the capacity to identify the truth or it  
will never prevail for you. You know why you volunteered to be here. So only 
you  can determine whether you have achieved your goal of being here or whether 
you  remain or leave. I want to share something with you: Just as Gainako is 
a  private enterprise, Ellen is also the property of an institution of higher  
learning. All the more reason you must display professionalism when you come  
here. Remember, even if you think Ellen belongs to Gambians, that doesn't 
make  it so. If you are really attending school in Minnesota, I am confident your 
 first class dealt with intellectual property and professional propriety. So 
you,  Demba, or Gainako, are not at liberty to averse other under the cover of 
"Fellow  Gambian" or "Executive of GPU-USA" or "Editor of Gainako" or 
whatever  permutation you fancy.
 
[As far as I know, if not debates we have together here, you will never see  
any of us calling you names.] Yero.
 
This is not significant Yero. I'd rather be called names by whomever I  
infringe upon rather than continue to indiscriminately averse folk due to  
ignorance of aversions. You get it???? I'm sure you did not understand what I  just 
said. Ask Demba to interpret it for you.
 
[None of those we interact also will give you any thing else. Until now,  You 
haven't stated what Demba or Gainako did to you.] Yero.
 
And then you find it necessary to "After you and Demba came this far,  I will 
humbly join in to give full assurance of this matter resting  now"-Yero
 
[That makes me wonder, if an external force hasn't infiltrated your ears,  
then it will be poor Haruna entangled between the devil and the deep red sea.]  
Yero.
 
And you go on to imagine further. It is said ignorance is bliss.
 
[For the records, Gainako doesn't belong to an individual. It is not run by  
an individual either.] Yero.
 
I suppose I should thank you for sharing this breaking news with us. Again. 
 
[It belongs to you and everyone else.] Yero.
 
Yero, I know you're being generous to us. However, I do not want to take  
ownership of any part of Gainako yet. I will let you know when I wish to take  
advantage of that honour. You see Yero, a newspaper is not like candy or a  
ranch, or a car, or a cow, or correo. I know it is strange but it is actually  
unwise to assign ownership of a newspaper to someone, even as an honour. You see  
a newspaper, a real newspaper, is the totality of its publications and  
equipment. Therefore, until I tell you I want be associated with Gainako, it  will 
be dishonest for you to associate me with it. You get  it???????????????????? 
Boy I hope Galleh or JDAM or Kukeh or Sidibeh can explain  some of these 
things to you guys. The reason why I escalated my tone with Demba  was precisely 
because I know that with your limited understanding, you will go  on aversing 
others simply because you are unaware that what you do is actually  wrong and 
unacceptable. Remember, I'm not talking about Press-Freedom and  Freedoms of 
speech and sunbathing. I know you're itching to throw the idiot's  ware into this.
 
[It is just another outlet for sharing of information.] Yero.
 
See what I mean???
 
[From my part, I am the littlest associate of the team. I am sure, from my  
forwarding of pieces, I have been judged a pivot. That is not the case. I have  
forwarded pieces here even from the Daily Observer yet I am not part of their 
 team. In fact, I contribute in these forums more than contribute at Gainako. 
 Why? The spirit of unity and togetherness is much more powerful, much more 
loved  by God. Of course, you or anyone else will not doubt it, I will defend 
Gainako  to any other level while the paper is keeping its promise of service 
to the  people.] Yero.
 
Yero. Listen to me. Listen carefully. What you shared immediately  above is 
not significant to any of us here except Yero, Demba, and any  other Gainako 
owner or staff. Plus, I advise you to look at these two statements  of yours. 
They could be the source of your rampant unprofessionalism:
1. That is not the case. I have forwarded pieces here even from the Daily  
Observer yet I am not part of their team.
2. I contribute in these forums more than contribute at Gainako.
3. The spirit of unity and togetherness is much more powerful, much more  
loved by God.
4. Of course, you or anyone else will not doubt it, I will defend Gainako  to 
any other level while the paper is keeping its promise of service to the  
people
 
You know one ought not start an e-newspaper simply because they have  access 
to the internet. You end up creating more problems for e-journalists than  you 
may ever imagine. And I know you mean well. Unfortunately meaning well is  
not enough reason to frolick on the internet or on the beach.
 
[Gainako registers close to one million hits a month, and I am sure, it is  
enough for any attention seeker, if any of us was looking for that.] Yero.
 
This is also insignificant Yero as to Haruna and or Elleners.
 
[You will attest to the fact that Gainako solicited opinions from many like  
you. For example, during the anniverssary of the student Demo, you and many  
others were invited for opinions, it happened that only Omar Joof, former GAMSU 
 Prexy responded. It is the same for many other topics of national interest.] 
 Yero.
 
Yero. you are wasting your breath and time. I know you want to take  
advantage of Haruna's notoriety to share information here but have some decency.  
Please.
 
[We do solicit interviews as well, in that case, an e-mail will be sent to  
you directly from the editor e-mail, mostly not by word of mouth, and of course 
 never from a third party. People solicit interviews from Gainako as well, 
and it  is handled in a similar way. Thanks for giving us that alert. Whoever 
that  person is, refer her back to this note above.] Yero.
 
It will be significant for you to inform your wider readership of  your 
protocol of communication. Not just folk here at Ellen. You may want to  inform 
folk at Posten and post the protocol at Gainako. I am sure you know who I  am 
talking about and so does Demba. And it is not a she. I only did that to  protect 
HIS identity and give you an opportunity to issue a cease and  desist order 
to him. His name is Saidou Jallow in North Carolina.
 
[While it is a good thing, it should be handled in the proper way.]  Yero.
 
That is EXACTLY what I shared with Saidou. That is why I am confident  you 
were aware. That has been your trademark. Dishonest securing of  notoriety. I'm 
sure you're 'shocked' again.
 
[I encourage you and everyone else to keep the momentum for Sister Fatou.]  
Yero.
 
Concentrate your own and Gainako's momentum for Sister Fatou.
 
[Include others as well in that package.  Let us all team up for the  greater 
good. The Gambia is bigger than our individual heads. The devisive  comments 
will yield nothing sound for people who are oppressed. The true  struggle is 
not about bringing one another down, but lifting all those doing  their little 
efforts up.] Yero.
 
Yero, you are speaking to the wrong choir again. This  fosse generousity and 
faux 'struggle' you keep riding on to trample on the  rights of your fellow 
citizens will not get you or Gainako too far with  Haruna.
 
[Read the piece "The Guilt IN Us.." and tell me if it is not time to  
re-group the political heavyweights either in Banjul, Dakar, USA, UK or any  other 
place deemed safe for attendees.] Yero.
 
No I will not read it. Certainly not if it is only at Gainako. If I  happen 
upon it someday, I will look at who wrote it before I read it. Thanx but  no 
thanx.
 
[At Gainako's service, the door is open to you, the GDP and any other  
project of national interest for promotion.] Yero.
 
OK. I must thank you but The GDP does not wish to be associated with  Gainako 
at this time. I'm glad you are keeping the door wide open for that  
possibility anticipating Gainako development in propriety. The GDP does  not desire 
promotion by Gainako at this time, even free promotion. You're  too kind. 

[Aluta Continua!!!] Yero.
 
Very funny. Do you know what Luta you're continuing to fight? Its like  
quicksand at the beach.
 
Bye Yero. Haruna.

Very sincerely yours,
Yero,
associate of  GON















Re: Demba  & Haruna; A meeting of the minds?þ
From:     The Gambia and  related-issues mailing list 
([log in to unmask]) on behalf of Haruna  Darbo ([log in to unmask])
Sent:     Sat 8/23/08 6:35  AM
Reply-to:     The Gambia and related-issues mailing list  
([log in to unmask])
To:      [log in to unmask]

I knew you can be funny Demba. No it is not  about Fatou because I don't  
think we have any disagreements as to  Fatou's worth, value, or extant  
considerations. If you abandon search  for knowledge at "Fatou's" expense, 
you  will live 
to averse me or  other again. I'm not sure as a 'Newspaper' editor, you  can 
afford  indiscriminate aversions of other.

Further, if you must know, Fatou has  shared with me that you and Yero think  
well of me. I shared with her  I, likewise, think highly of you. Not only 
that, 
another of our mutual  friends who is entirely separate from Fatou, perhaps  
unaware of each  other, has shared some months back that you reserve a 
congenial  place  for me in your heart. I had shared then that I do not know 
you but I  
know  of you and what little I may know is honourable. I indicated I  would 
cherish the  opportunity to get better acquainted with you.  Perhaps this 
were 
divine conduit  for such opportunity, albeit  extraordinary, to be squandered?

Carpe Diem, for as you share, "We live  in a small world". Not enough room  
for indiscriminate  aversions.

God bless.

Your brother Haruna. Oh, before I forget, I  meant to share with you that  
there's a knucklehead runnin around  soliciting interview on Gainako's 
behalf.  
I'm not sure whether she  does it on your direction but she is terribly  
unprofessional about it.  You may reconsider Agency as you grow.


In a message dated 8/22/2008  9:21:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[log in to unmask]  writes:

Haruna,

This was never about me or you. It is about Fatou.  I  asked that we honor
what she stands for and rally our fellow citizens  for a  cause she has given
so much for during the last year.  Any  apologies  should be directed to her
and for turning off many people who  stands toe to  toe with her in this fight
against injustice. We live in  a small world and  our challenges cannot be any
greater than what we  face as a people and  nation.

Moving on for a greater  course...

Demba

On Fri,  Aug 22, 2008 at 5:28 AM, Haruna  Darbo   wrote:

>
> [In a message dated 8/21/2008  10:44:34 A.M.  Mountain Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask]  writes:
> What is this  all about?] Demba.
>
> I am sorry  Demba, I had seen your query  yesterday but I had to use my
>   quota
> wisely and dispense  with bottom feeders first. I must say  though I was
> surprised,  near-shocked that you do not know how you  aversed me. I almost
>  think  you
> are being sarcastic  because a mutual friend did advise  me of your level of
> education  at the very least. Nevertheless, I will  take your query as
>  genuine
> and  I will retrace our  actions back but only with  your cooperation in an
> INTERACTIVE   conversation. I promise  not to use any profane language and I
>  also
> accept  any  disdain from you if at the conclusion of our  conversation,  
you
> found
> me wanting  in justifications.  Should you  prefer, we can choose a mutually
> acceptable  mediator  from  one of our number here, if that brings any
> comfort or
>   assurance.
>
> I am taking the kids to the horse farm now but  I  will have some time  
later
> this afternoon. I look forward  to your  express note of cooperation. I also
> have a story to share  with you  that may be pertinent to our conversation.
> It
>  could bring us  cheers at the end of the conversation.
>
> May  God bless you and  yours. Masoud. MQJGDT. Al  Mu'Umin.
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