Listmanagers i will call your attention to the following and simultaneously
recall when FJc was penalised for using the word "liars"! Now what are we
seeing? A person like the one who sent the message using not only the "liar"
but "idiot".
PLEASE INTERVENE OR ELSE THIS TIME AROUND WHEN THE PERSONAL TREND ROLLS DOWN
THE HILL MANY WILL BE UNSUBSCRIBED!

I liked Momodou Camara's message immidiately after the elections in it he
was calling for the restoration of a decent Gambial.Is this attitude from
other quarters helping? I would call on the list managers to apply the rules
as appropriate otherwise everyone herein has the "rude" bag to swing around
without fear! Ok?

Latest developments and sources from abroad have made our authorities
understand that,one of the strategies being applied by some subscribers AND
unrealistic opponents is to provoke a reaction that will warrant them
justify assylum status.Thats unfair to one's country please!
Those who were on assylum came home and were rallying with opposition
members! Is that love for one's country?
Where is Dr.Manneh now? Plus others, are they not campaigning with udp? Have
they been hindered.
THe next thing is that the gvt.Will approach the US and other western gvts
to nullify those stories.
I have seen threats that the USA gvt will be approached with Dr Kurang's and
Dr Ceesay's imaginery patients but it will be very tough for the fabricators
now! i mean it very tough!
As i have said here before the gvt won't sit by and watch
assylum seekers and "house-mortguage" trailers gain momentum. Do not take my
word if you wish but very soon it will be realised.
I stayed away because of having been busy with pre-elections
duties,therefore now we are back to base to deal with such fabricators to
the letter!

Infact even if approaching the US authorities is said here or not our
network always knows that some maryland-based UDP/PPP/GPP fanatics are
constantly praying for our death! yes our death!
Look this is no politics,this is JEALOUSY and hatred period.SOME FAILURES
ARE NOT JAMMEH-MADE NO! THEY ARE SELF-MADE ONES!
We have tried all possible ways of germinating peace with some but as the
saying goes:"even if you dance on a concrete floor for an enemy he or she
will see rising dust from your feet".
We know who the enemies are and so do we know who the opponents are.The
civil strife that some of you are calling for is not going to affect you
directly if it had to happen.
On Gambia L we can have brave commandos here and there but if the
reality(ALLAH forbid) had to arise non of you will even dare throw a stone
so give us a break.

It is very difficult to deal with people who eat anger,sleep in anger and
drink anger!That anger isn't Jammeh-made,neither is it Essa sey or Tombong
Saidy-made.

So many are in Maryland today they have called and congratulated us! Some
are and will remain UDP but they have accepted destiny at least. Being on
Gambial shouting and imagining a civil strife based on wishful thinking
cannot help the situation.Please note that if not for political sanity and
responsibilty or at best to save the lives of the poor innocent Gambians,non
amongst those who ramble here worth coaxing because we know the difference
between the brave and the winnowed stuff!

Call me whatever but some few people herein do not deserve being engaged or
respected as political opponents. The best way to fight a senseless rebel is
to be an effective war general!
Jammeh isn't only a dear leader but A DEAREST LEADER SO WHAT?! Come and
uproot that feeling from our veins then!
If you do so wouldn't that be more mud than the "potopoto" that you are
seeing under us?

The whole world has witnessed how we comported ourselves within your circle
for the past months.Do you think thats because of being scared of your
swinging rude bags?!


See below: Is this sanity?
Imagine someone calling Jammeh not only a leader, but 'my
>dear
>leader', that's the mentality of these pycophants.
>
>But one thing I know for sure, the idiot would soon be booted out of
>office.
>Remember thats how he came to office. Square game. He who lives by the
>sword
>dies by the sword. Lets just wait and see.
>
>Regards,
>
>Mose
>
>>From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: AN OLIVE BRANCH FROM JAMMEH - rejoinder
>>Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:08:05 EDT
>>
>>Dear F,
>>
>>Since you say that all or most of the things I have listed in my post are
>>distorted, and since you must have the correct version, perhaps you can
>>enlighten us as to what the actual facts are and what is distorted.
>>
>>No F, I did not present a one sided view. You see, on one side is the
>>Jammeh
>>government and everything that has transpired since they came to power,
>>and
>>which as I stated is clearly documented by both the U.S State Department
>>in
>>their annual report on human rights, as well as Amnesty International and
>>other human rights organizations as well as recorded for posterity in the
>>hearts and minds of those Gambians whose loved ones are the victims of
>>these
>>atorcities,soperhaps all of these entities are also just fabricating
>>things.
>>
>>The way to address the murder allegations for instance  F, is to
>>investigate
>>these cases and hold a trial for the whole World to see, and i cannot
>>imagine
>>why an innocent well meaning government where freedom reigns as you assure
>>us
>>sister,  would not want to do that, can you? Especially if faced with the
>>twisted misinformation peddled on the L, surely, the government would want
>>to
>>vindicate themselves in the eyes of the World, and have everything to gain
>>by
>>so doing.
>>
>>If not, then an easy way would be to hold a press conference and give the
>>World the details backed by concrete evidence to show that all of the
>>allegations as listed are distorted, and to give the true untwisted
>>accounts.
>>
>>All that transpired on the L was that there were ongoing, rampant human
>>rights violations and unchecked looting of our economy and we registered
>>our
>>outrage as citizens and disseminated this information to the World. End of
>>story. This is the way we know how to fight back, and an effective weapon
>>it
>>is indeed as all of you know very well, otherwise you would not give the L
>>any attention if it were as insignificant and as unrealiable a source as
>>you
>>say. if however we are liers who twist the truth, all you have to is
>>govern
>>in a transparent manner and ingnore us.
>>
>>Now if the Jammeh government can step forward and first, render an
>>explanation as to why these allegations have never been satisfactorily
>>addressed, and then  either conduct investigations to prove the controrary
>>to
>>what is being alleged to us and the rest of the World, or provide the
>>necesary evidence to prove that we have fabricated these allegations or
>>twisted them, then the burden of proof rests on the Jammeh government and
>>ONLY THEY need to do a retrospective .
>>
>>We are merely citizens who are outraged by the injustices we are
>>witnessing
>>while being told that we are lying. I for one would love to be proven
>>wrong
>>because frankly speaking, these things constitute our worse nightmares
>>that
>>we never envisioned happening in our country.
>>
>>You have listed the usual infrastructure citations as parameters of
>>progress
>>under the Jammeh government, and the fact that he did win the elections.
>>The things you list as achievements, namely, hospitals, schools, roads,
>>airport, women-empowerment, bridges, girls' education, freedom of speech,
>>freedom of newspapers, etc. etc. etc are the day to day  business that any
>>government conducts on behalf of it's citizenry, it is harldy the
>>parameters
>>by which major achievements are measured, nor can these be used as
>>justification for the ongoing trampling of the rights f the people at
>>every
>>turn and the looting of our national resources.
>>  They are services paid for with the hard earned taxes paid by the
>>people,
>>and since this goverment partakes of a majority of these monies for their
>>personal pleasure and enrichment above and beyond what is allowable as
>>espenses in the service of government, i am glad that some of it has been
>>actually put to good use for the people.
>>
>>You reported that your President has entended an olive branch to the
>>people,
>>our challenge is for him to come forward and addres the issues we raised
>>as
>>a
>>gesture that he means what he said. That is all, so why are you upset when
>>we
>>ask for this fi your offer was genuine?
>>
>>Even as i write this, i have just received an email as below:
>>
>>quote
>>
>>Jabou,
>>
>>I would like to thank you for your posting. I'd sent a private mail to
>>Elhajj complimenting him on his response to Fatoumatta Jahumpa and his
>>frankness when the news came from the BBC's Focus on Africa that arrests
>>have commenced. One Mohammed Sillah who heads a
>>Coalition of Human Rights organisations in The Gambia was interviewed and
>>he
>>was bitterly complaining about these arrests which are being done by both
>>the NIA and July 22 thugs. They visited Waa Juwara's premises yesterday,
>>according to Mr. Sillah, and vandalised his house. Shyngle Nyassi was also
>>attacked and his two children abducted;thank God, they were released. It
>>was
>>not clear from the interview whether they were harmed or not. According to
>>the same interview, the thugs were out in the Kombos insulting mandingoes,
>>harrassing them for not voting for Yahya.  This is untrue.  Infact, if
>>anything, it was Yahya who benefitted more than any of the Presidential
>>candidates in the predominantly mandingo constituencies. Why inject tribal
>>politics into an election already won by Yahya?
>>
>>end quote.
>>
>>So my dear sister, we are merely outlining for you and your president the
>>things he has to do to convince the World that his administration has
>>indeed
>>turned over a new leaf, instead of engaging in just another cat amd mouse
>>game of empty words, and as the World is already witnessing, you are
>>already
>>coming back and accusing the members of the L as twisters of logic after
>>your
>>post promising an olive branch and addresing the issues raised, and the
>>machinery of thuggery is already at work to continue to unleash fear,
>>terror
>>and retribution on the people even before the dust settles on this newly
>>elected administration that put on such a grande show for the eyes of the
>>international community.
>>Please prove us wrong, and deliver on the promises that no one forced your
>>president to make, that is all we are asking.
>>
>>Jabou Joh
>>
>>In a message dated 10/21/2001 4:06:18 PM Central Daylight Time,
>>[log in to unmask]
>>writes:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Sister Jabou et al,
>> >
>> > National Reconciliation means two Opposing sides re-examining where
>>they
>> > went wrong, doing extensive introspection and coming up with
>>conclusions
>>as
>> > to where they went wrong. In your case, you are abrograting wrong only
>>to
>> > one side. By refusing to acknowledge that you have been seriously off
>> > tangent on Gambia-L, you make me wonder if you understand what it means
>>for
>> > the President to be re-elected with the tremendous amount of odds that
>>some
>> > of you stacked up against his chances.
>> >
>> > My sister, I will only urge you and others like you on Gambia-L to
>>analyse
>> > the Elections Results where the nearest opponent to my beloved leader
>> > lagged at least 20% behind in number of votes casts. If all what you
>>listed
>> > down in your email below is true(virtually ALL of it is distorted),
>>then
>> > something must be wrong with Gambians to re-elect the President. Since
>>I
>> > know that nothing is wrong with Gambians today, I am going to conclude
>>that
>> > something is seriously wrong with you and others who refuse to do
>> > introspection and are insisting on peddling the distorted analysis.
>> >
>> > To those questioning the credibility of the President's 20% lead
>>victory, I
>> > urge you and others to visit the Jammeh2001 website and listen to the
>> > telephone conversation words of Sheriff Dibba and Ousainou Darboe at:-
>> >
>> > http://www.jammeh2001.org/telecongrats/index.html
>> >
>> > Keep in mind that Sheriff Dibba is a veteran in Gambian Politics.
>> >
>> > If I start to list down all the reasons why the people of the Gambia
>> > refused to buy into tribalism and resisted all the tremendous pressure
>> > placed on them from external forces and went ahead to re-elect
>>President
>> > Jammeh, I will not go to bed tonight. And I really have to take a rest.
>> >
>> > So, I will leave those of you with a conscience to ponder with your
>>inner
>> > souls about the hospitals, schools, roads, airport, women-empowerment,
>> > bridges, girls' education, freedom of speech, freedom of newspapers,
>>etc.
>> > etc. etc. that all happened in seven years. I will leave you with the
>> > glowing World reports that show increase in the Socio-Economic Indices.
>>I
>> > will leave you to compare the Human Rights Agencies reports on The
>>Gambia
>> > with others in the subregion. The President is not perfect and he is
>> > currently doing introspection on himself and the last seven years. But
>> > those who continue to act as if they were right all along and pointing
>> > fingers at the people of the Gambia as fools and morons should remember
>> > that four fingers are pointing right back at them.
>> >
>> > Good Night,
>> > Fatou.
>> >
>> >
>>
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