Omar and Elhajj
I think you people are forgetting a very important word "MANDU"
Right now i dont have much time but i will try by all means to
contribute.
Matarr
>From: omar joof <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: For Joe Sambou!
>Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 05:12:40 +0000
>
>Uncle Mustapha,
>Although I wish us to dispel the recriminatory tone of our discussions, I
>wish the discussion itself to continue because, some of us are really
>baffled by how rich a few in our midst have become, while the overall
>welfare of the majority of our citizenry have deteriorated from 1965 to
>date. In this connection, I would like you to kindly discuss the virtues of
>" Jomm" ," Kersa",and " Faida" on one hand and "Coolareh/woolareh" on the
>other. How significant were these virtues in shaping the conduct of public
>officials in the discharge of their duties in the past (before 1965), and
>how relevant are they to the quest for transparency,accountability and
>probity in contemporary Gambian society?
>I would like you or anyone else who understands both English and wollof
>better than I , to help with the correct English translations of the
>terms/words mentioned above. This I believe is necessary to get as many of
>us as possible involved in the discussion.
>Omar Joof.
>
>
>>From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: For Joe Sambou!
>>Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 09:45:41 +0200
>>
>>Joe,
>>I did not have much time to go over all my past mails, but please check my
>>mails dated as follow-
>>
>>1. 30 / 06 / 2000 - 02 / 07 / 2000 ( on the Darboe murder case )
>>
>>2. 22 / 07 2000 ( on the Dumo case ) I remember even writing a letter to
>>Annika ( Dumo`s wife ).
>>
>>3. 25 / 07 / 2000 ( on the Makalo case )
>>
>>Chi Jaama
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 11:03 PM
>>Subject: Re: Sillah Bai Fired
>>
>>
>> > Elhajj, when you stop propping up your friends and relatives at the
>>expense
>> > of Gambia. :-)! I am just curious, why do you always pop up to defend
>>this
>> > and that Gambian that is accused of something, by ordinary Gambians?
>> > However, I do not hear you come out and defend those that are falsely
>> > accused by the regime, you know, like Darbo in his murder frame up, or
>> > Dumo's treason frame up, etc. Or, do you do that just for the selected
>>few
>> > that are near and dear to your heart? I know you know about the arrest
>>of
>> > Waa and others, please surprise us and vouch for them. Or is it that
>>you
>> > only defend the "Ndongo Banjul". Bro, it is nepotism that brought us
>>to
>> > where we are and the least you can do is join Gambians to stamp it out
>>and
>> > not foster it. I hope you are not making a mockery of the call for
>>mass
>> > action? Because that would have been a low blow from one who should
>>set
>>an
>> > example for the young ones. Thanks for reminding me that you are not
>>an
>> > APRC supporter. How do you then explain the fact that nearly all that
>>you
>> > come to vouch for were with this regime and have been fired or
>>absconded?
>> > How?
>> >
>> > Chi Jaama
>> >
>> > Joe Sambou
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
>> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> > ><[log in to unmask]>
>> > >To: [log in to unmask]
>> > >Subject: Re: Sillah Bai Fired
>> > >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:15:53 +0200
>> > >
>> > >Joe,
>> > >Thanks for putting me and others to order. Keep up the good job! When
>>will
>> > >you go and lead the mass demonstration?
>> > >
>> > >Chi Jaama
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >----- Original Message -----
>> > >From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > >Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:02 PM
>> > >Subject: Re: Sillah Bai Fired
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Ooh Elhajj, not again! You continue to say the same things and
>>still
>> > >none
>> > > > takes it seriously. Are you defending folks because they are your
>> > >friends
>> > > > or relatives or do you know that for a fact? Remember, myself and
>>Yus
>> > >went
>> > > > this route with you in the case of Ebou Jallow and you swore up and
>>down
>> > > > about his goodness and kindness and flatly ignore that he stole
>>from
>> > > > Gambians. Sillah Bai is among the silent benefactors during the
>>Jawara
>> > >era
>> > > > and then some during his short tennure with our current criminal,
>>Yaya,
>> > >and
>> > > > we are going to talk about it. I know you're going to come back
>> > >swinging
>> > > > but that will not stop any from calling you to order. Anyway,
>>welcome
>> > >back.
>> > > > Some things never change.
>> > > >
>> > > > Chi Jaama
>> > > >
>> > > > Joe Sambou
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> > > > ><[log in to unmask]>
>> > > > >To: [log in to unmask]
>> > > > >Subject: Re: Sillah Bai Fired
>> > > > >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 06:11:12 +0200
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Pateh & Omar,
>> > > > >I still standby my words, that I was aware of Sillah Bai selling
>>his
>> > > > >propety
>> > > > >to start his business in the early 90s, and that he is an
>>outspoken
>> > >man.
>> > >I
>> > > > >am not a supporter of the APRC, but nobody will force me to lie
>>against
>> > > > >people or personally attack people, without genuine facts. Do you
>>want
>> > >us
>> > > > >to
>> > > > >hate our relatives / brothers and sisters because they are working
>>for
>> > >the
>> > > > >Jammeh regime? Omar, are you serious that people started getting
>>their
>> > >"
>> > > > >ill-gotten gains " during the APRC regime? Pateh, maybe Sillah Bai
>>and
>> > > > >Balla
>> > > > >Gaye can tell you why they accepted their Ministerial posts from
>>Yaya
>> > > > >Jammeh. I, for one, have never taken my share of the cake.
>>Brothers,
>>I
>> > > > >understand your positions and anger towards the Jammeh regime, but
>>let
>> > >us
>> > > > >be
>> > > > >real and accept other people`s views, when they are saying the
>>truth.
>> > >Once
>> > > > >again, I am still confirming Sheikh Tejan Nyang`s story about
>>Sillah
>> > >Bai.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Thanks.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >----- Original Message -----
>> > > > >From: "omar joof" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > > >Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:54 AM
>> > > > >Subject: Re: Sillah Bai Fired
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Pateh,
>> > > > > > I earnestly agree with you. As the saying goes " in the Gambia
>>even
>> > >if
>> > > > >one
>> > > > > > says something in a house without doors and windows, it finds
>>its
>> > >way
>> > > > >out".
>> > > > > > Corruption has eaten the fabric of our society so much that
>>people
>> > >dont
>> > > > > > worry any more about "ill-gotten gains". It is a shame to see
>>some
>> > >of
>> > >us
>> > > > > > praising persons who have put their long fingers into public
>>coffers
>> > >and
>> > > > > > made away with the poor tax payers money.
>> > > > > > Once upon a time in the Gambia, some parents would not allow
>>you
>>to
>> > > > >marry
>> > > > > > their daughter unless they know that you are an employee of
>>certain
>> > > > > > departments or parastatals. And it happends that these are the
>>work
>> > > > >places
>> > > > > > at which employees by virtue of their nature of work, are
>>abled
>>to
>> > > > >access
>> > > > > > money besides their rightful monthly earnings and allowances.
>>As
>>a
>> > > > >nation,
>> > > > > > we must build a culture of truthfulness and honesty and at all
>>times
>> > > > > > disassociating ourselves from criminal and immoral acts. We
>>must
>> > > > >distinquish
>> > > > > > between the good and evil so as to reinforce the former and do
>>our
>> > >best
>> > > > >to
>> > > > > > discourage the latter. Our inability in both the past and
>>present
>>to
>> > > > > > effectively discriminate between the good and evil has cost us
>> > >dearly,
>> > > > >and
>> > > > > > unless we are abled as a nation to make a determined efford
>>against
>> > > > > > corruption, our development effords will continue to be
>>undermined
>>,
>> > > > > > notwithstanding which party you have in power. I am at pains to
>>say
>> > > > >this,
>> > > > > > but I am convinced that this loud, lousy and greedy bunch of
>> > >politicians
>> > > > >we
>> > > > > > have in our country is without doubt a product of our own
>>inability
>> > >to
>> > > > > > promote good and stamp out evil.
>> > > > > > Folks, lets be serious, if anyone of us becomes a millionaire
>>over
>> > > > >night,
>> > > > > > sure we all will know if the person got the money legally or
>>merits
>> > >it.
>> > > > > > Omar Joof.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >From: Pateh Sowe <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > > > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> > > > > > ><[log in to unmask]>
>> > > > > > >To: [log in to unmask]
>> > > > > > >Subject: Re: Sillah Bai Fired
>> > > > > > >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 04:57:22 -0700
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >If Sillah Bai was outspoken,honest, better off as some
>> > > > > > >people are saying, why should he accept the ministrial
>> > > > > > >post.As he definitely knows that Jammeh is corrupt.
>> > > > > > >There are some gambians whom jammeh approach for such
>> > > > > > >positions and they refuse. Why can Sillah Bai did the
>> > > > > > >same. Look Gambia belongs to all of us and we all know
>> > > > > > > what is going on.As before there are so many vous in
>> > > > > > >the Gambia and normally they meet on fridays,
>> > > > > > >saturdays or sundays and the discussion is anybody
>> > > > > > >jammeh approach for a postion take it annd get your
>> > > > > > >share of the cake before you are fired.We are all our
>> > > > > > >aware that Balla Gaye is among the richest Gambian
>> > > > > > >civil servants and why did he accept the post? Is the
>> > > > > > >same to get his share of the cake.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >--- Elhajj Mustapha Fye
>> > > > > > ><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > Bro Sheikh,
>> > > > > > > > You are right! I remember discussing with Sillah Bai
>> > > > > > > > and late Alh Abu sallah
>> > > > > > > > at our " Mousanteh Banda " at Wellington St. about
>> > > > > > > > the sold of his property
>> > > > > > > > to start his business in the early 90s. I also agree
>> > > > > > > > with you that he is a
>> > > > > > > > very outspoken person, who has no fear to say the
>> > > > > > > > truth. I am not supporting
>> > > > > > > > the APRC, but we should be careful not to personally
>> > > > > > > > attack people, without
>> > > > > > > > concrete facts. As you know, I was in Dakar with my
>> > > > > > > > family for two months,
>> > > > > > > > without going to Gambia. Infact I made a big " Samba
>> > > > > > > > Soho " with Musa Ngum,
>> > > > > > > > Dial Mbaye and Libidorr at the YENGOULENE NIGHT CLUB
>> > > > > > > > at Nord Foire. We are
>> > > > > > > > editing the video cassette, so that I can put it in
>> > > > > > > > the Libidorr Website. I
>> > > > > > > > will let you know, when it`s ready.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Greetings
>> > > > > > > > Elhadj Tapha.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > > > > > From: "Sheikh Tejan" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > > > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:28 AM
>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Sillah Bai Fired
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Ebrima!s source got it all wrong . Sillah Bai
>> > > > > > > > acquired all his
>> > > > > > > > > properties legally during the old regime. Ebrima
>> > > > > > > > himself can confirm
>> > > > > > > > > that silleh sold his valuable property to start
>> > > > > > > > his business in the
>> > > > > > > > > tourist industry first by acquiring a boat call
>> > > > > > > > Jatou 1 and Jatou 2 .At
>> > > > > > > > > that time only Silleh and Gambia River Company
>> > > > > > > > operated by Pater and
>> > > > > > > > > Monicka were in this business which was very
>> > > > > > > > lucrative. Let me also
>> > > > > > > > > confirm that Silleh was very outspoken during his
>> > > > > > > > tenure at the National
>> > > > > > > > > Investment Board and his voice was had in all the
>> > > > > > > > boards that he
>> > > > > > > > > represented NIB. He made many enemies because of
>> > > > > > > > his anti corruption
>> > > > > > > > > campaign and went as far as pointing fingers at
>> > > > > > > > those who were corrupt
>> > > > > > > > > and no one has ever pointed a finger at him . That
>> > > > > > > > shows you the type of
>> > > > > > > > > guy he is .As i said earlier ,Ebrima is a good
>> > > > > > > > friend of Silleh and can
>> > > > > > > > > testify to these facts.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Chi Jamma ,
>> > > > > > > > > Bro Sheikh Tejan
>> > > > > > > > > TOMBONG SAIDY wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Ebrima Ceessay,You back again with your
>> > > > > > > > so-called sources. Your
>> > > > > > > > > > source is misleading you again. Lang Tombong is
>> > > > > > > > in town and has not
>> > > > > > > > > > gone any where. Why would Lang Tombong flee
>> > > > > > > > anyway? If Sillah Bai was
>> > > > > > > > > > sacked because he bribed Yankuba Touray, why
>> > > > > > > > then is Yankuba not
>> > > > > > > > > > sacked? Try to verify any information from your
>> > > > > > > > so-called sources
>> > > > > > > > > > before forwarding it to the L.Your sources are
>> > > > > > > > not reliable afterall.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > PEACE
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Tombong
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > >From: Ebrima Ceesay
>> > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing
>> > > > > > > > list
>> > > > > > > > > > >To: [log in to unmask]
>> > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Sillah Bai Fired
>> > > > > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:33:51 +0000
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > >Readers:
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > >Another e-mail from one of my sources in The
>> > > > > > > > Gambia.
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > >Ebrima
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > >
>> >_____________________________________________________________________
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > >>Subject: Re: Sillah Bai Fired
>> > > > > > > > > > >>Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:30:47 +0000
>> > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > > >>Coach,
>> > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > > >>The reasons for the arrests are, as usual, not
>> > > > > > > > clear. However,
>> > > > > > > > > > >>according
>> > > > > > > > > > >>to .........., whom I spoke with a few minutes
>> > > > > > > > ago, they have been
>> > > > > > > > > > >>alerted
>> > > > > > > > > > >>that they could be next. So far, as far as I
>> > > > > > > > am aware, Waa Juwara,
>> > > > > > > > > > >>M.C.
>> > > > > > > > > > >>and 16 others are thus far under security
>> > > > > > > > custody. The wave will
>> > > > > > > > > > >>continue
>> > > > > > > > > > >>in the next few days.
>> > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > > >>I will keep you posted as the story unfolds.
>> > > > > > > > The situation is too
>> > > > > > > > > > >>volatile
>> > > > > > > > > > >>for Lang Conteh who has fled to Dakar on
>> > > > > > > > Friday. Lang Lang Tombong
>> > > > > > > > > > >>Tamba,
>> > > > > > > > > > >>meanwhile, has fled to the US, according to
>> > > > > > > > reliable sources.
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >
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