Mr.Dampha,
Sure it wasn't the least condescending calling me "mister" it is one
of the most respectful words we can dig out from a dictionary.
I would reciprocate your stand here(please) i won't dwell into what was a
state visit or not! My observations were meant to provide clarifications
ie:that indeed President Jammeh went to Italy (and this you have honourably
accepted). Kebba it is human to err,so you and FJC should just let sleeping
dogs lie as far as this topic is concerned and continue the political
debates.
FJC!!! Hello are you there? a personal appeal here! Ps,i would appeal that
you apologise for calling anybody a "liar" and we move on.
It is honourable to apologise!it is honourable to accept facts! it is
honourable to tell a friend or an associate the truth! I did apologise to
people here when i went wrong(by becoming personal).However,i am still
refuting the issues that i find unacceptable on our side BUT NEVER WILL I
BECOME PERSONAL HERE AGAIN AND I MEAN IT!
You are really needed on the L and other fora (at least by those you work
with), so be mindful of my advise as per the words in quotations show
hereunder:
NB/"You see, nowadays the laws on this forum have become more strict and
objective than before(and this is what all of us were fighting
for).Therefore, try and avoid becoming the one to carry the "shackles" of
punnishment from list managers(it will be disturbing to be punnished for
doing wrong when you could have avoided it). you are needed here so just
forget the personal and debate on the political.Ignore some distractions at
least for my sake i am on my knees sister!
Gambia-L is one of the outlets(communication-wise)so lets stay on and be
reading through and delete what we feel is "bitter or acrid" to either
"drink or inhale".
Even at the jammeh2001.org,its not all who support the system,however,(the
president according to my sources has asked the forum moderator to leave all
partcipipants to be surfing and sending in their ideas freely)".
Sister believe me i have a learnt a lot from this forum an elsewhere
vis-a-vis on how to play the chess in political debates. Some provocations
are meant to distract,some are meant to annoy and breed "species" that can
castigate you,others are meant to dig,thus irritate you to react in a
defensive way(there and then you will say all that the other party wanted to
know).
These are some of the strategies in political debates so try and follow your
priorities and avoid becoming personal.In as much as we may totally disagree
with some ideas here,its very interesting staying on the L to see and know
how others perceive things.
PEACE CAN NEVER BE IMPOSED IT MUST BE CREATED AND THE CREATION OF PEACE IS A
SYMBIOSIS OF THE EXTERNAL WITH THE INTERNAL.
You have done a great job on your forum(ie:the jammeh2001.org)so keep it up
Yeromama.
"YEROMAMA PULORI GALO HAAWA BAROGEL N'DIMOU"
"Speak the speeches and let the speeches not spit you."
>From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS-YAHYA'S TRIPS TO WESTERN EUROPE.
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>Mister, I thank you for setting the record straight on Yaya’s trips to
>Western Europe. I will NOT dwell on semantics as to what is a State visit
>and what is NOT. I will take your word for it as a member of Yaya’s foreign
>service that the vermin can only point to ONE visit that resembles
>something
>like a State Visit to Western Europe during the more than seven years he
>has
>been in power. As far as the purported trip to Italy is concerned, do I
>take
>it from you that that was NOT a State Visit and Yaya was NOT conferred a
>‘baron title in Italy’ as claimed by Fatoumatta Jahumpa? Don’t worry, I
>would NOT call you a mental midget when you are laying bare facts about a
>topic that I already confessed I had limited knowledge in and I was NOT
>using Sources. I hope you will NOT also regard as condescending my
>referring
>to you as ‘mister’. I do NOT mean to be rude. It is just that I felt
>ridiculous calling you Yero Mama. Thanks again.
>KB
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>>From: YERO MAMA <[log in to unmask]>
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>>Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS-YAHYA'S TRIPS TO WESTERN EUROPE.
>>Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:52:40 +0000
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>>Mr.Dampha,
>> Please do not see any party politics in this! i am just making
>>observations here vis-a-vis Yahya's travels to western(that you were
>>questioning in response to Fjc's recent package).
>>
>>In 1998 he Yahya was invited to France on a state visit.Njogou Bah was
>>the
>>ambassador of the Gambia to France at the time.During that visit
>>(according
>>to the programme that was organised in his honour by the French Gvt),Yahya
>>was received by Ministre Vaillant(the then french minister of interior) at
>>the Charles de Gaulle airport. The same minister received Abdou Diouf just
>>few months afterwards-so that was a protocol culture which wasn't the
>>least
>>aiming at discriminatory approacheS.
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>>Immidiatley after the trip to Paris came to an end,the Gambian delegation
>>led by Yahya continued to Italy(you can verify with Dr.Christina,the
>>Gambia's honorary consul in Milan).
>>
>>The advance party of that delegation was headed by Ex Captain Demba Njie
>>and
>>Ex DG NIA Daba Marenah.
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>>Yahya did also travel to Scotland(this can be verified at the level of the
>>Gambian mission in London).Or contact Baba Saho of the NIA 'cause he was
>>organising the trip under the supervision of Ambassador John P Bojang.
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>>Yahya also went to France on a second round in 1999 to attend a meeting (
>>sommêt Francophonie).Even whereas The Gambia is not a member of the
>>francophonie(like many other anglophone countries)the former and the
>>latter
>>are usually invited by France at such meetings.The French call such
>>countries "The special Friends of France" or "les Francophils".
>>
>>Kebba,please do not start raining words like "mental midgets" on me here i
>>was just rectifying that part.Therefore let maturity lead the way my
>>brother.
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>>As you do always encourage people to be challenging you with
>>facts,therefore
>>these are my facts on this issue.
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>>Thank you very much.
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>>"Speak the speeches and let the speeches not spit you."
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>>>From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: CANT YOU ALL TELL HOW GOOD A MOOD I AM IN CURRENTLY?
>>>Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:39:31 -0400
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>>>Ms. Jahumpa, I can sense that you are very desperate and distraught.
>>>Frankly, I did NOT mean to give you a sleepless night yesterday or any
>>>day
>>>for that matter. I saw the mails you sent to G_L last night and this
>>>morning
>>>and could not help but notice that you hardly had a wink last night. You
>>>told us that you were in a fabulous mood and you were going to ‘laugh
>>>yourself to sleep’, yet you were still obsessing over this Basiru Jawara
>>>thing and sending me web-links you know I do NOT visit. Get a grip,
>>>woman,
>>>and while you are at it, get some beauty sleep at least; those do NOT
>>>take
>>>that long.
>>>
>>>Now to your contentions. Woman, many have tried and FAILED to brand me as
>>>a
>>>liar. Needless to say, you will also FAIL. I am no match to mental
>>>midgets
>>>like you. Let me first quote you the Basiru Jawara portion of my posting
>>>you
>>>are trying so hard to misrepresent. The posting reads; and I hope you get
>>>it
>>>this time:
>>>
>>>“The bottom-line is that the destitute farmers in URD and the
>>>Sarahulehs in Basse and SUPPORTERS of Assan Musa Camara, MC Cham, Modou
>>>Musa
>>>Njie (deceased), Musa Njie (businessman), Basiru Jawara (to name a few)
>>>are
>>>NOT going to vote for Yaya.” Emphasis mine.
>>>
>>>As you can see, I even included a dead man (Modou Musa Njie) among the
>>>people I listed; further showing that the emphasis was placed on the
>>>‘supporters’ and NOT the influential people I listed. Obviously, Modou
>>>Musa
>>>Njie CANNOT vote for Darboe. Dead men do NOT vote (at least in civilized
>>>societies). You know as well as I do that Basiru Jawara already told you
>>>(APRC) that he CANNOT deliver the Sarahulehs of Basse (his supporters).
>>>These Sarahulehs know about Yaya’s despicable deeds accusing the
>>>Sarahuleh
>>>of the crimes of Baabaa Jobe smuggling ‘Blood Diamond’. Basiru Jawara
>>>knows
>>>that Yaya has no support in the Sarahuleh community. There are other
>>>prominent Sarahulehs in Banjul apart from Basiru Jawara. Musa njie, musa
>>>Drammeh and Alh. Saibo Tunkara comes to mine. Apart from Sankung Sillah
>>>(whom we all know why he is supporting Yaya; he has multiple lawsuits
>>>hanging over his head) NO respectable Sarahuleh is supporting Yaya. I
>>>reiterate that the bottom-line is that supporters of Basiru Jawara are
>>>NOT
>>>going to vote for Yaya. Basiru Jawara flatly refused to act as an APRC
>>>envoy
>>>to the Sarahuleh community because he knows that the Sarahulehs are going
>>>to
>>>vote for Darboe. If I were you, I would NOT even count on Basiru Jawara’s
>>>vote. The man is NOT stupid. Finally on this point, I respectfully urge
>>>you
>>>to read my postings properly before jumping up and down getting Yaya all
>>>excited that you are cornering me. Woman, Yaya is FINISHED and you know
>>>it.
>>>I got word that it took Darboe more than three hours to get into Basse
>>>because of the huge welcoming crowd that already lined the main streets
>>>waiting for PRESIDENT DARBOE to arrive. Contrast that with the ‘crowd’
>>>you
>>>guys rented and bussed into Basse. Your days are numbered. Forget Basse.
>>>It
>>>is Darboe Country. I just saw that you took your Basiru Jawara propaganda
>>>to
>>>Buba Baldeh’s Observer (APRC Daily). That is where the garbage belongs.
>>>
>>>Now moving to Yaya’s titles. You are aggravating NO ONE in the Opposition
>>>by
>>>making a fool of yourself as an incorrigible sycophant. The moron NEVER
>>>finished High School and you go around boasting about a honorary
>>>doctorate
>>>degree. This is just unadulterated sycophancy. Shameless garbage. I saw
>>>somewhere you trying to rationalize Yaya’s ‘baron’ title. You people are
>>>just hilarious. When did Yaya ever go to Italy to be ‘made a Honorary
>>>Baron’? Who gave him the title? What Italian City? You know you are LYING
>>>when you pretend that some Italian royalty granted the moron a title ‘in
>>>Italy’. To my knowledge, Yaya NEVER went to Italy. Matter of fact, the
>>>only
>>>time I recall him going to Western Europe was when he went to Copenhagen
>>>to
>>>attend some UN-sponsored meeting. The coward is afraid to set foot in
>>>Western Europe and get arrested for crimes against humanity. Tell us how
>>>many times Yaya has been invited to a State Visit in Western Europe. The
>>>moron could NOT even get Ukraine to invite him for a State Visit. The
>>>last
>>>time he went there, he was on his own going to visit his ‘arms-dealer’
>>>friends and the people that sold him his Russian-made aircraft. So, don’t
>>>come here pretending that you have a respectable leader that is being
>>>feted
>>>and decorated by civilized monarchs. I would NOT be at all surprised if
>>>some
>>>hustler came to Gambia and bamboozled Yaya with an empty title just to
>>>get
>>>to his ‘precious dollars in Swiss Bank accounts’.
>>>
>>>If you think that we are wasting our time writing on G_L, I wonder why
>>>you
>>>will stay up till 3:00 a.m. GMT last night trying to debunk what we wrote
>>>and wake up in the morning and plant a story on Observer about Basiru
>>>Jawara. Why don’t you stop wasting your time and focus on the campaign
>>>trail
>>>back home, if you have any? I know for a fact that our mails are no
>>>laughing
>>>matter for you and your boss. Deep throat has it that as soon as the
>>>moron
>>>saw Chongan’s and Colly’s mails and knew that the mails were circulating
>>>in
>>>barracks and police stations, the moron asked you to register him on G_L.
>>>Laugh at this to your peril. You know it is NOT funny to Yaya.
>>>
>>>Finally, on the ‘ambassador-for-cash’ CORRUPTION SCANDAL’, you did NOT
>>>say
>>>anything. All I see is lame denials. Buba Baldeh, Baabaa Jobe and Yaya
>>>were
>>>caught with their pants down asking for bribe. You CANNOT spin this one.
>>>The
>>>cat is out. You still did NOT explain Yaya’s infantile tirade against
>>>Baldeh. We are still waiting to hear what happened and why Yaya decided
>>>to
>>>disgrace Baldeh in front of his people. I hope your brains will NOT hurt
>>>trying to get through this posting. Please bear with me. I am trying to
>>>be
>>>a
>>>gentleman and respond to all your (four) mails you were sending
>>>throughout
>>>last night and this morning. I would hate to snub you. I hate to be the
>>>bearer of bad news, but what the heck with vermin like you. I understand
>>>the
>>>‘oku-marabout rally’ organized by Kofi-Harris in Banjul was a big flop.
>>>It
>>>attracted less than 100 people. Do you have the tapes showing ‘rented
>>>crowds’ in Banjul? Be my guest and have another chuckle on me. I am just
>>>happy that you would NOT be laughing on October 19, 2001. On that day,
>>>ordinary Gambians will escort PRESIDENT DARBOE to the State House.
>>>KB
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "F. Jahumpa Ceesay" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>Subject: CANT YOU ALL TELL HOW GOOD A MOOD I AM IN CURRENTLY?
>>>>Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:58:52 -0700
>>>>
>>>>Hey You Liars,
>>>>
>>>>I am in too good a mood to argue with you when our website clearly
>>>>shows who are the liars and who are the truth sayers.
>>>>
>>>>I am only on the L currently to rub your noses in it as victory
>>>>for us is imminent.
>>>>
>>>>Look at KB speaking of Bashiru Jawara and his farmers being against
>>>>President Alhaji Dr Baron Yahya A.J.J. Jammeh when Bashiru Jawara
>>>>has been attending all our rallies with his followers en masse.
>>>>
>>>>Just check the website for the pictures of both him and his brothers
>>>>and other farmers as they hail the great Baron Alhaji Dr. Yahya
>>>>Jammeh.(Yes, I am doing the full titular honours to aggravate
>>>>some of you some more)
>>>>
>>>>My friends, I am in too good a mood to sling insults with you
>>>>as you lie so desperately. The writing is on the wall and also
>>>>on the website. Oictures and Videos do not lie. The more you
>>>>write, the more your credibility goes down. Continue peddling
>>>>trash and we will soon see who will be run off Gambia-L.
>>>>
>>>>You are right about one thing though. Your mails on Gambia-L
>>>>are definitely doing the rounds. They are the pieces of paper
>>>>that people use when they want to giggle and laugh. Imagine Ebrima
>>>>Ceesay reducing himself here last week with lies about Yankouba
>>>>having been sent off to the Kombos. Do you guys even know how
>>>>much laughter we had with that posting he sent about how URD
>>>>was Alliance Country and Yankouba had been sent to Kombos where
>>>>support was "slipping"? People laughed until they shed tears
>>>>at your blatant lies.
>>>>
>>>>As for me, I am just having fun, fun, fun on the Campaign Trail.
>>>>
>>>>Oh, one more thing! I may be peddling infantile propaganda but
>>>>I know one thing for sure. Those who quote from a series of one
>>>>sided letters allegedly sent to Buba Baldeh/Baba Jobe are the
>>>>infants. A serious minded propagandist would have known that
>>>>to get credibility for his post, he should have instead concocted
>>>>letters not TO Baldeh but FROM Baldeh. Heh heh heh. Catch my
>>>>drift? or are you too clever to understand when the "moron's"
>>>>maid speaks?
>>>>
>>>>I am laughing myself to sleep. Good night.
>>>>
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