Soffie,
Thanks for the vote of confidence but if I filled th position I am afraid I would not last long in it. Granted that women in some Islamic countries, namely the Arab countries are definitely victims of oppression that is disguised as Islamic law when it is cultural practices because Islam definitely does not oppress women at all.
Someone in the position could possibly do some good in educating the World about women's rights in Islam (because that is clearly the target) which is already well documented anyway if anyone is interested in finding the truth but only if the creators of the position are genuine in what they want to address and let the truth be told and the news media will not censure the findings which I doubt will happen. Also, such exposure could be beneficial to women in societies where they are denied their rights but only if the men in charge in those countries where women are denied their rights under the guise of Islam are receptive to giving women their rights as prescribed by Islam which they already are quite aware of.
Unfortunately, what has happened is that there is an agenda to undermine Islam with so-called democratization that is really neo-colonialism in disguise and Muslims have now read between the lines. The issue with regard to women's rights is also another easily used tool and unfortunately, western society sees progress as adoption of their values.
Jabou
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Subject: Re: Position / Ya Soffie
Sister Jabou, I didn't feel that they were directed at me at all. I must have
done a poor job of responding to Suntou and attempt to add my meagre thoughts to
the conversation.
Regarding your view of "...sitting duck." I would agree with you only if a Hirsi
Ali type were to fill this position and I hope this does not become the case.
An informed individual who approaches the task that this position requires with
honesty and, guided by the realities and the possibilities within the society
they operate can be a great benefit to women. There is a need to advocate and
reclaim that which God gave each one of us, our dignity and for some women, this
is denied them everyday, in Islamic societies. That HRW is creating this
position is commendable; that they may have an agenda, and what that agenda
could be, is open to our interpretation. I actually thought about you filling
the position when I first received it and you will be no one's sitting duck :-).
R,
Soffie
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Ya Soffie,
My comments were definitely not intended to make you feel they were directed at
you as that would make no sense. Your gesture was simply to forward information
that you thought would be useful to anyone interested in this position just as
you have posted other job and educational opportunities in the past.
Thanks for your observations but my view is that anyone who takes this position
will be a sitting duck.
Rgds,
Jabou
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Subject: Re: FW: Position Available: Women's Human Rights and Religion
Suntou & sister Jabou, greetings. My intention was to forward a notice of a job
posting, to which qualified applicants can apply, nothing more.
Thanks for sharing your opinions.
The dignity of women in Islam is unassailable; the dignity of women in our
culture/tradition is without equal, yet... I think you will agree with me that
the "correct understanding of islamic knowledge" or "Islamic history never
subjugating women ... " has not stopped the oppression of women, which happens
far too frequently in some Muslim families in many muslim countries. Also, many
recognized religious leaders refuse to speak out against the subjugation and the
indiginities women in majority Islamic societies suffer regularly, or they
themselves engage in the dastardly deeds. I would like to believe that No
"level headed muslim" will close their eyes to women's suffering which takes
place in their homes, communities, and countries, condoned, by their silence, by
the majority.
For this position, I hope the woman that fills it is honest, knowledgeable and
capable of critical engagement, regardless of what is thrown her way, who can
contribute toward eradicating ignorance, be it religious or cultural/traditional
and because Islam encourages Shura, that she will facilitate consultation among
muslims to recognize the humanity in everyone, address the contradictions some
of us live, purge ignorance, and encourage education to better the lives of our
women and therefore, that of our families.
Thank you,
Soffie
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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:10 PM
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Subject: Re: FW: Position Available: Women's Human Rights and Religion
madam ceesay ,your intention may be ok but this job is a very sensitive position
for any level headed muslim to fill .
it is now very clear that the inter-mixing of islam and women rights have become
bad bedfellows and this is not by accident.
if any body wish to feel the post ,then remember the obligation that you are up
against. the correct understanding of islamic knowledge is a most and the
traditions of the prophet should be a barometre by which to make judgement.
the u.n and her alies have taken up the issue of women libaration and mix it up
with the islamic tradition and then come up with a conclusion that islam is the
problem for hindering women rights ,so any sane muslim wishing to take the huge
pay parkage most also remember that the pay parkage is never forever. do justice
where justice is due.
islamic history never subjugate women if going by the prophet muhammad's
traditions. infact it is just for the past 100 years that western women started
looking down upon there muslim counter-part. so historical analysis is also a
very good requirement.
what is the standard to measure women liberation ? since this very subjective .
the position is not an ordinary position so all applicant most be careful and
understand what agenda is at play. May God guide our actions.
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