"Karamba, you could not have missed that other Gambians are asking you for
the same darn thing."
And who would that be? You, Musa, and maybe a couple other people? Karamba
told you he didn't write the article? And so what if he did? You wanna
accuse Karamba of plagiarism? You want Karamba to admit to something he
didn't do so your ego can feel better and you can walk around saying how Joe
Sambou shamed the UDP/NRP? This could be cleared up very easily by asking
Ousman Conteh to clarify what Karamba told him. But then again, even if
Ousman graciously offered to do that, it's still a question of who do you
bleieve? In case you were there or a witness to the particular events, all
of the information you'd get would be secondhand anyway, or your word
against someone else's. So, it would be up to people to choose whose side
of the story to believe.
"No, you are not just a sympathizer of the UDP/NRP, ..."
So what of it? Do people not have a right to participate in their party's
politics? If Karamba was involved in NADD instead, would you be calling him
a "spin doctor"? Does participating or communicating with your party of
hcoice make you an "official" who is charged with speaking for the whole
party?
"you are their spin doctor and for you to pretend to distance yourself from
them at this hour is unbecoming."
Whose distancing themselves from anything? All he said was he didn't write
the article! All he did was forward it! How is that distancing? Unless
you've just decided that you believe, no matter what anyone tells you, or
what evidence is presented to the contrary, that Karamba wrote it, thus is
guilty of plagiarism, thus, he needs to "come clean" and admit his errors,
or else... If the guy didn't write it, he didn't write it! And unless
you've got evidence to proove he did, other than your mouth, than shut up!
"Look, stop the games and be straight with us.
You to this point are not denying nor accepting responsibility. You can try
your best, but this issue will never be about Joe."
Who said this was about Joe?! This is about a supposed plagiarized
document, something we've not unequivocally established, unless of course
your name is Joe Sambou or Musa Sanneh, and the supposed author behind said
document. It's not about Joe! However, Joe is part of the story as it is
alleged that you made all of this stuff up about Karamba spending hours on
the document, etc.
I've had it with this discussion! Either come with your evidence or
shut up! Some of you guys are just a bunch of bullies who don't have Ebou
Jallow to kick around anymore, so now you gotta find someone else! And
what's more, you're still nursing your anger that the UDP/NRP broke up from
NADD, so you gotta do what you've always done, try to disgrace someone you
don't like, or don't agree with!
You're not the only one who calls it like they see it! You're not the
only one who cares about The Gambia!
Ginny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [>-<] The Document/ Joe
> Karamba, you could not have missed that other Gambians are asking you for
> the same darn thing. No, you are not just a sympathizer of the UDP/NRP,
> you are their spin doctor and for you to pretend to distance yourself from
> them at this hour is unbecoming. Look, stop the games and be straight
> with us. You to this point are not denying nor accepting responsibility.
> You can try your best, but this issue will never be about Joe. You can
> count on Joe to tell you the shit stinks and none of the sick behavior of
> maslaa that some of you are known for. This is a signature of laziness
> and incompetence, so I feel for Gambia with such character. Continue to
> play dodge ball!
>
> Chi Jaama
>
> Joe
>
>
>>From: karamba touray <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: RE: [>-<] The Document/ Joe
>>Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 13:26:30 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>[ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by karamba touray
>><[log in to unmask]> ]
>>
>>
>>Joe,
>> I have already told you exactly what happened. I
>>forwarded the same document that saihou Mballow
>>released to your organisation in Chicago. I spoke to
>>Ous Conteh for about a minute and he confirmed receipt
>>of the documents. He relayed no concern about the
>>document to me at any time. It is you who came up with
>>a story about the document and me. You specifically
>>said I claimed to have stayed up all night to
>>'summarise' the document. All I did was to forward a
>>publicly released document to your organisation. What
>>part of that don't you get? The document came from
>>UDP/NRP. Since Ous Conteh was the only one I spoke to
>>for about one minute, I naturally asked him if he had
>>expressed any concerns about either the document or
>>his interaction with me brief as it was and he
>>emphatically said he told you nothing of the sort. I
>>just don't know what has gotten in to you Joe. You
>>just gotta have someone to quarrel every so
>>often. I will circulate a petition on the Post to have
>>an official nanny designated for you here. You need a
>>perpetual Bambaneh!
>>Karamba
>>
>>--- Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> > [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering
>> > by "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]> ]
>> >
>> >
>> > Again, no flowery language will get you off the
>> > hook. Yero, an independent
>> > journalist, was there and you heard what he
>> > observed. You checked your
>> > voice mail, was it my voice that you heard?How the
>> > hell did I know you said
>> > that if you did not talk to me? Just think about
>> > it. No, you Karamba have
>> > a hand in this document and we are going to get to
>> > the bottom of this.
>> > Where is your partner in crime, Sahou Mballow, when
>> > we need him? Your role
>> > was to put it out there and ours to take you to
>> > task. Yes, call me all
>> > kinds of names, but the fact remains, you have not
>> > cleared the air. At the
>> > very least, you can just state for the record that
>> > this report was not
>> > plagiarized and we will let the facts speak for
>> > themselves. However, do not
>> > be mistaken to think you can weasel your way out
>> > without accepting or
>> > denying responsibility. We may sound dumb to you,
>> > but we ain't stupid.
>> >
>> > You could have said what you said below in just a
>> > few sentences, for you
>> > still are not denying or confirming the allegation.
>> > Also, to claim that you
>> > have the right to adopt what ever is neither here
>> > nor there, because that is
>> > not the issue. Is this the product of the UDP or
>> > someone else's? If it is
>> > the product of the UDP, then just state that and we
>> > call it a day and I
>> > shall personally apologize to you and anyone harmed.
>> > If this is not the
>> > product of the UDP, then why did you present it as
>> > such? What stopped you
>> > from giving credit to the authors? You and I know
>> > that is intellectual
>> > dishonesty. Who tampered with the document,
>> > Karamba, Saihou, or the UDP?
>> > These and other questions your fellow Gambians want
>> > to know. We are
>> > waiting.
>> >
>> > Do me a favor, stop hiding behind Ous Conteh, he has
>> > nothing to do with the
>> > authentication of this document and no amount of
>> > mentioning him will excuse
>> > you. The facts are going to dictate this journey.
>> >
>> > Chi Jaama
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: karamba touray <[log in to unmask]>
>> > >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>> > >To: [log in to unmask]
>> > >Subject: [>-<] The Document
>> > >Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 08:11:03 -0700 (PDT)
>> > >
>> > >[ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering
>> > by karamba touray
>> > ><[log in to unmask]> ]
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Folks,
>> > > the document that was sent over to the
>> > Chicago
>> > >meeting is the same exact document Saihou Mballow
>> > >released a little over week ago. It is a policy
>> > >document released by the the UDP/NRP/PDGP. I
>> > forwarded
>> > >it to Ousman Conteh who contacted me on behalf of
>> > >their organisation on Friday afternoon. He called
>> > me
>> > >saturday morning and we spoke for about a minute
>> > and I
>> > >told him the document was a lengthy 30 pages and
>> > that
>> > >he may want to tell those members of their audience
>> > >interested in reading it to try doing so online.
>> > That
>> > >was the begining and end of my conversation with
>> > Ous
>> > >Conteh.He did not raise a question about the
>> > document
>> > >neither did he tell me anyoneelse did at the
>> > meeting
>> > >or afterwards. Infact I spoke to Ous Conteh last
>> > night
>> > >having read Joe's account and he was outraged that
>> > >Joe would concoct such a silly story about how I
>> > said
>> > >I purportedly spent all night summarising the said
>> > >document or that they had tried to'confront' me at
>> > >their meeting and I was avoiding their calls.
>> > Absolute
>> > >lies and for what? I am not in the business of
>> > >claiming authorship or assuming the role of a
>> > >spokesman for UDP/NRP/PDGP. I support them in my
>> > >capacity as an interested Gambian citizen. If they
>> > put
>> > >out a document in their quest to seek public office
>> > ,
>> > >citizens such as yourself can take it upon yourself
>> > to
>> > >analyse the document, make up your own minds
>> > regarding
>> > >the methodology of it's production, it's merits or
>> > >even relevance.Whatever conclusions emanate from
>> > that
>> > >exercise is worthy of the kind of serious
>> > deliberation
>> > >citizens undertake in a participatory democracy.
>> > Why
>> > >should our discourse be tinged with the kind of
>> > >accusatory disposition routinely manifested by
>> > people
>> > >on issue after issue. Afterall the same
>> > organisation
>> > >invited Ousainou Darboe last year and he obliged by
>> > >interrupting personal business that brought him
>> > here
>> > >and flew from Seattle to address them in Chicago.
>> > This
>> > >year because Joe Sambou does not like the decisions
>> > he
>> > >made, he will personally constitute an academic
>> > review
>> > >panel to reject a document he was invited to submit
>> > >and proceed to lie about the whole episode. Whoever
>> > >heard of a community organisation that invites a
>> > cross
>> > >section of society abrogating for itself the right
>> > to
>> > >decide if submittalls that are voluntarily sought
>> > and
>> > >provided meet some tortured and warped standard.It
>> > is
>> > >a notch below facism. Those of you who have
>> > questions
>> > >regarding the production methodology, look into it
>> > and
>> > >if you have cause for criticism by all means go
>> > ahead.
>> > >It is all part the process and I fully recognise
>> > your
>> > >right to that.To those of you who believe you have
>> > >stumbled upon something you can precitipate a
>> > scandal
>> > >from I say good luck because I know you will need
>> > it.
>> > >Some of you are just pathetic, petty and have a
>> > made a
>> > >speciality in diviancy. Ndeysan
>> > >Karamba
>> > >
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