Musa / Ginny,

I sense (I could be wrong) that I may have offended you both by the my 
postings on this issue. At the onset my intention was to present a 
diifferent view to the topic in discussion. I agree with you that this 
discussion is not the type that should degenerate to the me-against-you 
level. Penning off on this topic is in order.

As for Musa's question to me *For the record,are you a salafi or Wahhabi 
follower*
Then my answer to that is I kindly decline to offer an answer.

Cheers
Salieu






>From: musa pembo <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: A Different View Of Sufism
>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:35:55 +0100
>
>Brother Salieu,
>Thanks for your reply.I have a feeling that you only read the article by 
>Nuh
>Ha Mim Keller without continuing with the rest,because if you had done that
>you would have realised that,I quoted the very people you also quoted in
>your reply in their own words to avoid the risk of misrepresentation.So,my
>dear brother,I would suggest that you do that.I will go along with Sister
>Ginny's view that if sufism is not for you,you do not have to participate 
>in
>it.Leave people who are interest in that intragal path of the faith to
>follow their conscious and understanding,backed- up by formidable evidence
>from the Faith.At this particular time in the history of Islam,what we so
>desperately need is tolerance and understanding,which is in short supply in
>the camps of salafis and wahhabis.For me,there is far greater things that
>binds us as muslims rather than one particular brand of Islam wanting to
>dominate the World with their own posturings.I will therefore respectfully
>suggest that we agree to disagree on this one and move one.Brothers and
>sisters now have enough materials at their disposal to make up their
>minds.For the record,are you a salafi or Wahhabi follower?
>The best of salam,
>Musa
>
>
>On 18/04/06, Sal Barry <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > Musa,
> >
> > Sufism has been refuted before the time of Imam Abdul Wahab by the likes
> > of
> > Imam Ahmad, Imam Shaafi'e, Ibn Taymiyah (Eventhough  Nuh Ha Mim Keller
> > states otherwise below), Ibn Jawzee, and the like. The Wahhabi
> > Interpretation you mention below can be misleading because it indicates
> > that
> > Sufi refutaition began during the time of Imam Abdul Wahab to the 
>present.
> > That is far from being the case. Sufi refutation began as soon as Sufism
> > reared it head. The Islam practised in the Desert of Arabia 1400 years 
>did
> > not include believing that the Quran has an outer and inner meaning. The
> > lay
> > people relegated to understanding the outer meaning and the sheikhs
> > understanding both. This is undeniably part of the  Aqeedah of the 
>Sufis.
> >
> > I will state below the statements of some of the scholars regarding 
>sufism
> > and a refutation of
> > Nuh Ha Mim Keller's writings and statements.
> >
> > WHAT THE ISLAAMIC SCHOLARS HAVE SAID ABOUT SUFISM
> >
> > Imaam Ash-Shaa'fee on Sufism:
> > "If a person exercised Sufism (Tasawafa) at the beginning of the day, he
> > does not come to Dhuhur except an idiot." [Talbees Iblees].
> >
> > "Nobody accompanied the Sufis forty days and had his brain return 
>(ever)."
> > [Talbees Iblees].
> >
> > Concerning the famous Sufi leader, Al-Harith Al-Muhasbi, Imaam Ahmad ibn
> > Hanbaal (R) said:
> > "Warn (people) from Al-Harith (a Sufi leader) the strongest warning!... 
>He
> > is the shelter of the Ahl Kalaam (people of rhetoric)." [Talbees Iblis].
> >
> > Sheikh Al-Madkhalee says in his book * "Haqeeqatus Soofiyyah Fee Dau'il
> > Kitaabi Was Sunnah", the following
> > As for those authentic and well known books by the 'Ulemah that have
> > refuted
> > Sufism:
> >
> > 1. Al-Fataawaa - by Sheikhul Islam Ibn Taymiyah .
> > 2. Talbess Iblis - by Ibn Al-Jawzy .
> > 3. Tanbeebul-Ghabee ilaa Takfeer Ibn'Arabee - by Burhaanuddeen 
>Al-Baqaa'ee
> > .
> > 4. Tahdheerul-'Ibaad min Ahlil-'Inaad bibid'atil-Ittihaad - by 
>Al-Baqaa'ee
> > .
> >
> > Sufism in the West
> > By Hani Abid
> > http://www.alarqam.com
> >
> > PART II:  Uncovering those who accept, adopt and spread Sufism
> >
> > Nuh Ha Mim Keller
> > Hamza Yusuf Hanson
> > The Sufi Tradition in Toronto
> > Abdal-Hakim Murad
> >
> > PART II:  Uncovering those who accept, adopt and spread Sufism
> >
> > Muslims are like a single body, if a virus attacks one part of it, then
> > the
> > whole body feels it.  It is important to remove any viruses that make 
>the
> > body ill in order for it to remain healthy and strong.  Muslims today 
>are
> > very weak because the majority has abandoned the teachings of Quran and
> > the
> > way of the Prophet PBUH (i.e. his Sunnah).  In order to revive the 
>Islamic
> > spirit and rejuvenate the Muslim body, Muslims have to first rid
> > themselves
> > of the viruses that infect their minds, and develop immunity to viruses 
>so
> > as to quickly recognize them and treat them.  These viruses are the
> > Bida'as
> > that are widespread between Muslims, the cure to which is only through
> > returning to the way of the Prophet PBUH and his Sunnah.  This is why it
> > is
> > a duty on every Muslim to inform his/her fellow Muslims about those who
> > promote such viruses (Bida'as), to expose their false teachings, and to
> > warn
> > of the dangers that they spread.
> > There's plenty of evidence to inform us of our duty to speak out against
> > Bida'a and those who accept, adopt, and spread it.  Scholars like Ibn
> > Taymiya, As-Shatiby, and Ibn Al-Qayyim set the example for us in their
> > writings to follow.  Ibn Al-Jawzi wrote a wonderful book called "Talbees
> > Iblis" in which he exposed many Bida'as and those who propagate them.  
>In
> > the second chapter of "Tablees Iblis" entitled "Censure of Bida'a and
> > People
> > of Bida'a", Ibn Al-Jawzi quotes the following examples:
> > •       Abdullah ibn Umar, may Allah be please with him, narrated that 
>the
> > Prophet
> > PBUH said "Whoever strays away from my Sunnah is not from my [Ummah]"
> > (reported by Bukhary).
> > •       A'isha, may Allah be please with her, narrated that the Prophet
> > PBUH said
> > "whoever respects and honours a person of Bida'a has assisted in
> > destroying
> > Islam".
> > •       It was reported that our righteous predecessors were angered 
>when
> > questioned why they talk about people of Bida'a.  One of the righteous
> > salaf
> > said "my speech about people of Bida'a (i.e. warning about them) is more
> > beloved to me than performing extra acts worship for sixty years."
> > •       It was also related that the righteous predecessors said 
>""whoever
> > loves a
> > person of Bida'a, Allah will foil his deeds and remove the light of 
>Islam
> > from his heart".
> > •       Another one said, "be warned of those who sit with people of
> > Bida'a".
> > Clearly, this evidence shows that one must expose and warn about Bida'a
> > and
> > those who spread it.  Now that we have established the validity of this
> > act,
> > we shall proceed to expose those who accept, adopt, and propagate the
> > Bida'as of Sufism.
> > Nuh Ha Mim Keller
> > Nuh Ha Mim Keller, an American Sufi, became Muslim in 1977 and moved to
> > Jordan where he currently resides.  Keller taught at the first Deen
> > Intensive program in Toronto in 1997 along with Hamza Yusuf and others.
> > Keller is a member of the 'Alawiya Order, one of the branches of 
>Shadhili
> > Order.  'Alawiya Order is derived from al-'Alawi[1].  Although Keller
> > spends
> > most of his time in Jordan, he still maintains a number of followers in 
>in
> > the West.
> > In order to cast away any doubt about Keller's belief in the Shadhili
> > Tariqa, let's examine Keller's own work.
> > "Invocations of Shaadhili Order (written by Nuh Ha Mim Keller), on Page 
>1,
> > Keller says:
> > "This blessed collection contains those of the invocations and prayers 
>of
> > the Pole and Succor my master Abul Hasan al-Shadhili".
> > Comments: The terms "pole" and "succor".  The term Pole in Sufi 
>literature
> > means the "perfect man" who holds Allah's attention in this world; all 
>the
> > affairs of creation revolve around him. He takes his way in the 
>universe,
> > both the seen and unseen parts of it, as the spirit takes its way in the
> > body.  He could also be called al-Gouth (Succor, i.e. helper) because
> > people
> > seek his assistance in case of adversity.  Ahmad al-Tijani (the founder 
>of
> > the Tijani Sufi order) said, "The reality of the Pole status is that he 
>is
> > great vicegerent of Al-Haqq (i.e. Allah) in all the universe, wherever
> > Allah
> > is a God, the pole is his vicegerent in the sense that he (i.e. the 
>pole)
> > carries out all the decrees that Allah might have. So, nothing will 
>reach
> > the creation except through the pole."
> > In Pages 102-103 Keller says:
> > "The conduct of the disciple towards the sheikh and brethren consists in
> > five things: following what the sheikh says, even if something else 
>seems
> > better; avoiding what he forbids, even if it means one's death; 
>upholding
> > the sheikh's honor be he absent or present, alive or dead; fulfilling 
>the
> > sheikh's rights to the degree possible, without remissness; and 
>suspending
> > one's intellect, knowledge, and leadership, except as the sheikh
> > confirms."
> > Keller on Singing and Dancing
> > Nuh Ha Mim Keller mentions in his Tariqa Notes that sacred dance is one 
>of
> > the rituals of the Shadhili order. According to him, the sacred dance is 
>a
> > type of dancing performed by Sufis in unison while they make Dhikr
> > (remembrance of Allah).  To show the permissibility of it, Keller argues
> > that sacred dancing has 3 components:
> > 1.      Dhikr
> > 2.      The dancing itself
> > 3.      Performing it in congregation
> > Since each of the above components is permissible if not recommended in
> > its
> > own, therefore –Keller concludes- combining them yields a permissible 
>act
> > of
> > worship.
> > Keller also promotes and teaches the same misguided Sufi concepts that 
>we
> > revealed in Part I.  He writes in his book "A review of Tariqa Notes",
> > page
> > 30:
> > "Nothing is, beside Allah and His Attributes and His actions and His
> > rulings. This is what is meant by the Sufi term wahdat al-wujud or
> > (oneness
> > of being)".
> > Keller mentions the Sufi concept of oneness of being (Wahdat al-wujud).
> > This concept is explained by a Toronto Sufi group on their website 
>as[3]:
> > Here are two commentaries from the translator (Wahid Baksh Rabbani) of 
>The
> > Kashful Mahjub (Unveiling the veiled) by Syed Ali bin Uthman al-Hujweri
> > about Wahdat al-Wujud:
> > Page 260 ... "In a nutshell, oneness of Being (Wahdat-al-Wujud) in Islam
> > means that nothing in this world can contain God, but God contains
> > everything. Or nothing is God, but nothing is separate from God. That is
> > why
> > the concept of hulul and ittihad (incarnation) are against the tenets of
> > Islam. Hulul and ittihad presuppose multiplicity of being; whereas Islam
> > proclaims oneness of Being ... that is Divine Being. This concept of God
> > does not violate the principles of Shari'ah in any way. What happens in
> > the
> > state of fana-fi-Allah is that man does not become God, but he is lost 
>in
> > God's Being. Like an iceberg which when frozen, assumes a separate
> > existence, and becomes one with the sea when it melts. Similarly, when 
>the
> > seeker is in the state of fana, he is one with God and when in baqa, he
> > assumes the shape of an iceberg, cold, hard, and limited."
> > Page 266 ... "Again Shibli says, 'tauhid veils the Unitarian from seeing
> > the
> > beauty of His oneness.' This is because tauhid is the act of man, and 
>the
> > act of man cannot be the means (illat) of seeing God and what cannot be
> > the
> > means of seeing God, is necessarily a veil. Man, with all his attributes
> > is
> > something other than God because if his attributes (sifat) are regarded 
>as
> > Divine Attributes, then man who is the possessor of these attributes
> > becomes
> > Divine, and then the Unitarian (muwahhid), Unity (tauhid) and the One
> > (wahid) become interdependent. And this is precisely the Christian 
>notion
> > of
> > Trinity. The attribute which veils a man from reaching tauhid (oneness) 
>is
> > a
> > veil. And one who is veiled is not a Unitarian (muwahhid), for other 
>than
> > God in the universe is non-existent."
> > Comments: So although the concept of Wahdat al-Wujud rejects that unity
> > with
> > God means that one becomes God (i.e. the Christian Trinity), it still
> > affirms that man is with God physically as nothing exists except God.
> > Keller himself confirms this belief of becoming one with God:
> > page 35 … Keller says "…After this, a person doesn't need figurative
> > interpretations, because the journey is no longer to Allah, but rather 
>in
> > Allah, meaning in the knowledge of him, directly and 
>experientially.""[2]
> > Of course this is the concept that was invented by Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi.
> > Keller on Ibn Arabi:
> > On page 42 Keller quotes Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi as saying "…a quality 
>which,
> > as
> > sheikh Muhyiddin (Ibn Arabi) notes…"
> > Comments: Regardless of Ibn Arabi's statement, the simple fact is that
> > Keller is quoting a man who was declared a kafir by countless
> > well-reputable
> > Muslim scholars.  Below are some such fatwas of Muslim scholars on Ibn
> > Arabi:
> > 1.      Al'izz Ibn Abdulsalam (d 660 H): He said about Ibn Arabi "An 
>evil
> > liar
> > sheikh who claims that this world is eternal (i.e. was not created by
> > Allah)
> > and embraces promiscuity."
> > 2.      Ibn Taymiya (d 728 H): He extensively discussed the arguments of
> > ibn
> > Arabi and refuted them and called him a heretic.
> > 3.      Ibn Katheer (d 774 H): Imam ibn Katheer in his book of Islamic
> > history-
> > Al-bidaya Wal Nihaya comments on ibn Arabi "He has a book named beads of
> > wisdom in which there are many things that are apparently clear kufr."
> > 4.      Adh-Dhahabi (d 748 H) said: "If Ibn Arabi's book (Beads of 
>wisdom)
> > does
> > not contain clear Kufr, then there is no Kufr in the world."
> > 5.      'Ala' al-Di Al-Bukhari Al-Hanafi declared that: "The one who 
>does
> > not
> > consider Ibn Arabi a kaafir (non-Muslim), then he himself is a kaafir!"
> > In fact, Keller not only quotes Ibn Arabi, but he also defends
> > him.  Keller,
> > in his translation of Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri's "Umdat al-salik" 
>writes:
> > Muhyiddin ibn Arabi is Muhammad ibn 'Ali ibn Muhammad ibn Arabi, Abu 
>Bakr
> > Muhyi al-Din al-Hatimi al-Ta'i, The Greatest Sheikh (al-Shaykh 
>al-Akbar),
> > born in Murcia (in present-day Spain) in 560/1165. A "mujtahid" Imam in
> > Sacred Law, Sufism, Qur'anic exegesis, hadith, and other Islamic 
>sciences,
> > and widely regarded as a friend (wali) of Allah Most High, he was the
> > foremost representative of the Sufi school of the "oneness of being"
> > (wahdat
> > al-wujud), as well as a Muslim of strict literal observance of the
> > prescriptions of the Quran and sunna.
> > Ibn Arabi's creed is very clear to those who read his works.  He 
>advocates
> > the concept of Hulool, which is a stepping-stone to the concept of 
>Oneness
> > of Being or "Wahdat al-Wujud".  In simple terms, Oneness of Being means
> > that
> > none exists but Allah, so everything one sees is Allah or a 
>manifestation
> > of
> > Allah and this is the Tawhid (oneness or unity) according to some 
>extreme
> > Sufis.
> > The purpose of the following examples is to show beyond the shadow of a
> > doubt what the creed of Ibn Arabi is:
> > 1.      Ibn Arabi declares the worshipers of the Golden Calf were not
> > committing
> > shirk. Found under section: "The Seal of the Wisdom of the Imam in the
> > Word
> > of Harun (Aaron)"[4]
> > 2.      Ibn Arabi criticizes Noah as a messenger.  Found under section:
> > "The Seal
> > of the Wisdom of the Breath of Divine Inspiration in the Word of Nuh
> > (Noah)"[5]
> > 3.      Ibn Arabi declares the Pharaoh died a believer (Muslim).  Found
> > under
> > section: "The Seal of the Wisdom of Sublimity in the Word of Musa
> > (Moses)"[6]
> > Ibn Arabi also says in his book "Fusus al-Kikam"[7]:
> > 1.      "He is the observer in the observer, and the observed in the
> > observed.
> > None sees Him, save Himself. None perceives Him, save Himself. By 
>Himself
> > he
> > sees Himself, and by Himself he knows Himself. His Veil is part of his
> > Oneness; nothing veils other than he. . . His Prophet is he, and his
> > sending
> > is He, and His word is He.
> > 2.      He who knows himself understands that his existence is not his 
>own
> > existence, but his existence is the existence of God."
> > Yet with all these proofs, Keller still calls Ibn Arabi "the Greatest
> > Shaykh"!  Ibn Taymiya writes in his book al-Uboodiya about Ibn Arabi and
> > those who adopt his beliefs:
> > The most horrifying Kufr
> > Therefore, anyone who witnesses the universal truth without the 
>religious
> > truth will hold equal all these types of people whom Allah (SWT) has 
>made
> > an
> > ultimate distinction between. This reconciliation will eventually 
>conduce
> > him to even reconcile between Allah (AWJ) and the idols, as Allah (SWT)
> > said
> > about this type of people.
> > By Allah, we were truly in a manifest error. When we held you (false
> > deities) as equals (in Al-'Ibaadah) with the Lord of the Worlds.
> > [Ash-Shu'araa:97-98]
> > They eventually reach the point where they reconcile between Allah (AWJ)
> > and
> > every existing being. And they considered all that which He (AWJ) 
>deserves
> > of 'Ibaadah and obedience as being due to every existing created thing
> > since
> > they made His (AWJ) existence the same as the existence of the created
> > things. This is of the most horrifying Kufr and atheism towards the Lord
> > of
> > all the beings. They reach by their Kufr the point where they do not 
>bear
> > witness that they are 'Ibaad-u-Allah, neither by the meaning of the
> > subdued
> > ones nor by the meaning of the worshiping ones. They witness that they
> > themselves are the Truth as has been declared by their false idols, e.g.
> > Ibn
> > Arabi who wrote "Al-Fousous," and other slandering atheists such as Ibn
> > Sab'een and his like. They even witness that they are simultaneously the
> > worshipers and the ones being worshiped.
> > This, indeed, is not the witnessing of the truth, neither the universal
> > one
> > nor the religious one, but it is rather a going astray and a blindness
> > from
> > witnessing the universal truth, for they made the existence of the 
>Creator
> > the same as that of the created. They made every good and bad quality as
> > an
> > attribute to both the Creator and the created, for they consider the
> > existence of the former as being the same as the existence of the 
>latter.
> > But the believers in Allah (SWT) and His Messengers, both commoner and
> > elite, are the people of the Quran, as the Prophet PBUH said, "Verily,
> > Allah
> > has (favorite) people amongst mankind." He was asked, "Who are they? O
> > Messenger of Allah." He replied, "The people of Al Quran, they are 
>people
> > of
> > Allah and His elite."
> > The Kufr of those who believe in the incarnation
> > These people know that Allah (SWT) is the Lord, the Owner, and the 
>Creator
> > of everything. And that the Creator is different from the created being.
> > He
> > (SWT) is neither incarnated in the being nor combined with him, nor is 
>His
> > (SWT) existence the same as the being's existence. Indeed, the 
>Christians
> > were not declared by Allah (SWT) as Kuffar (unbelievers) except for that
> > they believed in the incarnation and combination of Allah (SWT) with
> > Al-Maseeh (Jesus). So how about those who made this true about every
> > creature? Yet, they know fully well that Allah (SWT) ordered obedience 
>to
> > Him (AWJ) and obedience to His Messengers, and that Allah (SWT) does not
> > like corruption nor approves Al-Kufr for His 'Ibaad. And all the 
>creation
> > ought to worship Him (SWT) so that they obey His commands, and ask for 
>His
> > aid to fulfill that; as He (AWJ) said in the Opening of the Scripture: 
>It
> > is
> > You we worship and it is You we ask for help. [Al-Faatihah:5]
> > The above examples are just a brief illustration of the misguidance of 
>Nuh
> > Ha Mim Keller.  Muslims, especially young ones, have to know the truth
> > about
> > such people so they're not deceived by their appearances or words.  Even
> > the
> > name that Keller adopted (Ha Mim) shows his commitment to bida'a.  
>Keller
> > explains Ha Mim as: "Ha Mim Ha Mim, Ha Mim, Ha Mim, Ha Mim. The matter 
>be
> > done, the victory come, against us they shall not be helped".
> >
> > INVOCATIONS OF SHAADHILI ORDER BY NUH HA MIM KELLER
> >
> > 
>HTTP://WWW.ALLAAHUAKBAR.NET/INDIVIDUAL_CALLERS/NUH_HA_MIM/INVOCATIONS_OF_SHAADHILI_ORDER.HTM
> >
> > A REVIEW OF 'TAREEQA NOTES'  A BOOK BY NUH HA MIM KELLER
> >
> > 
>HTTP://WWW.ALLAAHUAKBAR.NET/INDIVIDUAL_CALLERS/NUH_HA_MIM/A_REVIEW_OF_TAREEQA_NOTES_OF_NUH_HA_MIM.HTM
> >
> >
> >
> > >Dear Ginny et all,
> > >Ginny Thanks for your contribution on the subject.I have been away from
> > my
> > >computer since last Thursday.I just saw the posting forwarded by 
>Brother
> > >Salieu offering a different view on sufism,Which is most welcome.Which 
>I
> > >may
> > >say is the  Wahhabi interpretation or attitude towards 
>Tasawwuf(sufism).I
> > >am
> > >not at all surprised.Wahhabis are diametrically opposed to the practice
> > and
> > >will go to any length to rubbish the writings of sufi writers and
> > >practitioners.However,I will now present the views of Scholars so that
> > >people can judge for themselves.At this point,I must declare an
> > >interest.Iam a sunni muslim and a sufi practitioner.
> > >   *How would you respond to the Claim that Sufism is bid'a?*
> > >*(c)Nuh Ha Mim Keller 1995*
> > >
> >
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