Foroyaa Newspaper Burning Issues
Issue No. 44/2005, 6-8 June 2005
Editorial
WHO KILLED DEYDA HYDARA?
Official Report Elusive
The report emerging from the Department of State for the Interior on the investigation on the shooting incident leading to the death of the Late Mr. Deyda Hydara of The Point has been forwarded to media houses. The bottom line is that no suspect has yet been identified.
The word “Confidential” can be seen on every page of the report and we would not have made any public reference to it had a subsequent press release not indicated that it is meant for pubic consumption.
The report is not impressive. After going through the report one is tempted to conclude that the thread that runs through the report is made up of innuendoes, subterfuges and insinuations that impinge on the personality and integrity of Deyda. In our view, the essence of the report is that due to his questionable character and activities, one of the persons he dealt with may have shot him dead. What conclusions can one draw from this; that the death of Deyda is his own making? This is ludicrous.
The bulk of the pages of the report is dedicated to the life and activities of Deyda not what happened on December 16th 2004. If the investigators have any valuable information on the scene of the crime they have not said so in their report. Nothing has been stated on the bullet extracted and what gun may have been used.
Let us make reference to one or two paragraphs in section 4, which contained the findings of the investigators.
Paragraph 4.14 states: “Deyda has on several occasions since the days of the PPP Government been invited to security institutions to be cautioned and advised to set records straight, particularly whenever he had erred and was way off the path upholding the canons and ethics of journalism profession.”
Well, perhaps the investigators don’t know that Mr. D.A. Jawo, the former president of the GPU had been invited to security institutions “to be cautioned and advised to set records straight” more than any other journalist in the country. But does that make him “way off the path upholding the canons and ethics of the journalism profession? Assuming the statement in this paragraph is correct, what has it got to do with the death of Deyda?
Now paragraph 4.15 states: “Since the advent of the media commission bill, he had relentlessly and persistently criticized government and also attempted to challenge the bill in court though to no avail.”
So what? What is the problem in “relentlessly and persistently criticizing government” for introducing a bill that suppresses freedom of _expression? Furthermore it is not correct to say that the challenge to the unconstitutionality of the National Media Commission Act was to avail. It was the defendant, government itself, that made substantial amendments and later announced its intention to repeal the Act. This led the Supreme Court not to proceed with the case pending the actual repeal which took place. This is how this chapter came to a close.
Paragraph 4.16 states: “In his column Good Morning Mr. President he has since July 22 Revolution, been launching direct unprecedented attacks on the person of President Jammeh.”
What is the problem? We only hope that the investigators are not suggesting that the President was outraged with what Deyda wrote in that column and got himself involved in the murder of Deyda?
Paragraph 4.17 goes on to state: “In his Bite, he hauled unpleasant remarks on the government of The Gambia for the institution of laws and other steps taken by government to control the press from abuse of its freedom of _expression; which he described draconian measures put in place to muzzle free press.”
Let us hope that the investigators are not suggesting that government officials have developed hard feelings for Deyda because of the “unpleasant remarks in the government”
Paragraph 4.23 states: “Barely a fortnight before his death, Deyda has heaped attacks on Mr. Kofi Annan, the UN Secretary General, who he blamed for not being honourable enough to resign in the way David Blunkett, the Former British Home Secretary and a German State Minister did when they were linked to some scandalous affairs directly or through associates or relatives. He referred to Mr. Annan’s son’s involvement in the Iraqi Oil Saga as reason for the UN boss to bow out.”
So what? What is the relevance of this statement if not to suggest that Kofi Annan or one of his aides has something to do with the shooting of Deyda?
There are many similar statements relating to private individuals and institutions in the report regarded as findings. The report also claims that the “Green Boys” were interrogated but nothing implicating was found. The report however fails to name the “Green Boys” that were interviewed even though it has been naming individuals in the report.
The report also stated nothing about eyewitness accounts of individuals at the vicinity of the crime so as to get some clue. The National Printing and Stationery Corporation, Sankung Sillah and Sons Ltd., the Police Garage and the Police Invention Unit all lie on Sankung Sillah Road, the scene of the offence. In fact at the time of the commission of the offence the perimeter of the premises of the Police Intervention Unit at Sankung Sillah Road had no fence. Even though the entrance to the Police Intervention Unit is not on Sankung Sillah Street what could have stopped them from getting to the scene of the crime within a flash of time?
What the investigators should realise is that reports like this can achieve nothing other than increase the doubts of the Hydara family and the public at large as to whether the government and its security forces are committed to find the perpetrators of the heinous crime.
What they must avoid is to make statements that look like criticism of Deyda, rather then giving concrete facts either relating to the scene of the crime or has a direct link to the scene of crime. If they have very little or nothing, they should say so. If they feel they have limitations in terms of capacity they should say so and seek for assistance. But they should avoid statements that can be interpreted as propaganda to mislead the public. Needless to say, history is nobody’s fool. History will absolve the just and damn the unjust.
D68 MILLION CASE DEFERRED
The sixty eight million dalasi economic crime matter involving Winston Able Thomas and the state was on Wednesday deferred by the Banjul High Court.
Mr. Thomas’ failure to appear in court on that date irked prosecutors at the Attorney General’s Chambers who applied for a bench warrant to facilitate his appearance. However, an impeccable source at the Attorney General’s Chamber informed this paper that the accused person’s failure to appear in court on Wednesday was precipitated by ill health. The source informed this paper that the accused person is currently hospitalised at Ndemban Clinic. The source further indicated that the bench warrant issued by the court is still effective.
Mr. Thomas and Gam Investment Brokers limited are charged with two counts of economic crimes contrary to sections 5b, and 5f, of the economic crimes Decree No: 16 of 1994 specified offences.
Mr. Thomas is arraigned in court for allegedly causing loss to the Central Bank of The Gambia in foreign currency, equivalent to sixty eight million dalasis.
The case was first mentioned before Justice Abdou Karim Savage at the Banjul High Court, but the accused pleaded not guilty to the charges preferred against him. Following the reforms embarked on by the Chief Justice, Alan Brobbey, and the matter was later assigned to the Criminal Division of the High Court.
THREE TRIED FOR ISSUING FALSE ID CARDS
By Yaya Dampha
The trial of the three impersonators who were earlier charged for issuing false Id Cards around the Western Division area, resumed at the Brikama Magistrate Court on the 31st May 2005.
In his testimony, the third accused person, Mr. Bah, confirmed to the court that he as a representative of an unnamed justice of the peace, has been signing forms for those who need ID Cards, birth certificates and passports. He said that it was Mr. Cathal Omnolain who approached him to arrange sending to him people who need these national documents. He said that Cathal showed him samples of Id cards both on the computer and on paper.
The accused was shown the ID card of one Mr. Karamo Kamara and was asked who made it. In his response the third accused confirmed that Mr. Kamara’s ID Card was indeed made by Mr. Cathal. He confirmed that it was him who directed people to Mr. Cathal. The third accused person indicated that it was Mr. Drammeh, the second accused person who normally collects forms for the ID cards from the police and that he, Mr. Bah, the third accused, has a JP stamp that he uses for stamping all forms. The police also said that they found four ID cards in the third accused person’s house, together with some birth certificates that they have falsely made.
When the third accused, Mr. Cathal was called to testify, he applied to be given more time to arrange for his witnesses, since according to him, all his co-accused persons were granted bail, but that he is still in remand because of the observer report that Mr. Cathal Omnolain, an Irish citizen, is an international terrorist from the IRA. He said that this information was absolute fiction. He called on the observer to check their source of information before publication. He said the story stopped him from being granted bail and is still stopping him from being granted bail.
The matter was adjourned to the 8th of June 2005 for the third accused person to call his witness.
AFRICAN COMMISSION CAUTIONS GAMBIA GOVT
By Sana B. Camara
The Gambia government is again questioned for its failure to submit its mid-term report to the recently concluded 37th Ordinary Session of the African Commission on Human and Peoples’ Rights.
Under the African Charter and the African Commission protocol, state parties are obliged to submit mid-term reports to the commission for its deliberations The Gambia, being the host country and “an important party” to the commission, her failure to submit a mid-term report has raised more questions than answers about her human rights credentials.
According to the final communiqué of the Ordinary Session, The Gambia is one of the state parties that has failed its obligation in this regard. The communiqué stated that The Gambian authorities have been communicated to, reminding them of their obligation in this regard.
The commissioners said that they had the opportunity to meet President Jammeh during the course of their session and discussed with him issues surrounding our country’s human rights record.
The commissioners said they also hoped to see greater freedom for The Gambian press, like other African countries. According to them, they were given assurance that investigations into the murder of Deyda Hydara will intensify so as to bring the culprits to justice. “We will continue to monitor developments just like other African states, where situations of this nature are deplorable,” said Salimata Sawadogo, Chairperson of the Commission.
CHIEF INSPECTOR JAWO REMANDED IN CUSTODY
By Yaya Dampha
Chief Inspector Omar Jawo, who was in charge of Bansang Police Station until his arrest on the 19th May 2005, was held at the Serious Crimes Unit before being arraigned before Magistrate Bubacarr Jawo of the Brikama Magistrates Court on Wednesday 1st June, on charges of conspiracy to commit felony, contrary to section 368 of the Criminal Code.
According to the particulars of offense, Inspector Jawo, some time between 2000 and 2003, while posted at Mandinaba Police Post, conspired with one Lamin Sanneh, to give safe passage to one Ebrima Bah, when travelling with stolen cattle.
Before the charge sheet was read, the defence lawyer Mai Fatty objected to the charge, saying that it is not correct and that it’s no law to try one person on charges of conspiracy since one must agree with someone and oneself. He said that there has to be more than one person in court to substantiate an act of conspiracy; that the charge is saying that Omar Jawo conspired with Lamin Sanneh and it is not mentioned on the charge sheet that the said Lamin Sanneh is at large or otherwise. He said that he too should have been in court. He said his client is not treated fairly. He submitted that the information is bad since trying him alone is discriminatory and unconstitutional. He urged the court to recognise the prematurity of the charge and strike it out.
He went on to say that if the evidence of the said Lamin Sanneh should be used against Inspector Jawo, then Jawo should equally have the opportunity to cross-examine him (Lamin Sanneh) in court to have a fair trial. He further cited sections 111 and 112 of the CPC which he said requires people charged or accused of the same transaction to be tried together.. He said that if Lamin Sanneh is not around, Jawo should not be tried alone, unless the charge says that Lamin cannot be traced.
In his objection, the prosecution also cited section 19, subsection (6) of the constitution, which made it mandatory for the police to bring the accused person to court within 72 hours.
He said that the defence counsel has misconstrued section 368 and further urged the court to proceed with the matter.
In his ruling, the presiding magistrate, Bubacarr Jawo, said that the charge is correct and the accused should be allowed to take his plea.
At this point the charge was read to the accused person who pleaded not guilty to the offense and the prosecution applied for an adjournment since the matter is still being investigated. He asked for the accused to be remanded in custody on the grounds that the accused is still a Chief Inspector of the police force and that if he is released on bail, he may tamper with their on going investigation.
Defence lawyer, Mai Fatty, objected, saying that the police always rely on allegation of tampering with their investigation just to have people sent to the remand wing of Mile 2.
He said that his client, on the 19th May 2005 after being called from Bansang and informed of the allegations, travelled on his own to report to the police and also to deny the allegations made against him. He argued that if Jawo was guilty, he could have absconded. He called on the court to give respect to him who shows his integrity and respect for the laws of the land. He applied for bail on these conditions.
In his ruling, Magistrate Jawo ordered for the accused to be remanded in custody and for the case to be adjourned till the 7th June 2005.
NEW OPPORTUNITY FOR DEMOCRACY,
Said the Deputy Speaker
By Sana B. Camara
Officially closing the 37th Ordinary Session of the African Commission on Human and Peoples’ Rights, the Deputy Speaker of the National Assembly has said that a new opportunity for democracy has arisen for Africa, comprising a set of tools enabling governments and parliaments, interest groups and individuals, directly or indirectly, to influence policy and public opinion in the sphere of the protection and development of human rights.
Deputing for the Speaker of the National Assembly, Mrs. Belinda Bidwell said that her deliberation was borne out of her experience as a parliamentarian, and she is glad that the gathering has been held in The Gambia at a time when its political, social and economic development are being pursued with vigour.
According to her, the future of democracy in Africa is contingent upon the effective operation of parliament the outstanding characteristics of which are, inter-alia, its commitment to fundamental human rights and freedoms, its independence, its tolerance of all shades of opinion, the adoption of measures to secure social progress, a deep-seated respect for political freedom, a belief in the law, faith in education and respect for democratic institutions.
“In Africa, people have become aware of their role in the social and political construction of state institutions within the democratic system, and are now demanding a leading role in their operation. In the case of parliament, all its functions echo the demands, needs and aspirations of the citizens of a country,” she told the participants, adding that parliament could also play useful roles in regularly reminding governments, of their obligations in implementing relevant ratified human rights instruments, including the African Charter.
“Its role is not just to adopt legislation, but also to analyse and examine in-depth to ensure that it provides an urgent response to the demands of the people, it has the duty to represent,” she said. She noted that globalisation of politics is leading to a redefinition of the human rights role of parliaments, “and the Pan African parliament will be no exception.”
“Parliament,” she went on to say, “As a result of the _expression of the will of the people, is a guarantee of civil peace and liberty. “It thus has a special role to play in formulating laws that conform and uphold fundamental freedoms such as freedom of _expression, of movement and of the press, which are all enshrined in the African Charter on Human and Peoples’ Rights.”
The Commission she said should continue to vigorously champion for the rights of peoples in Africa by engaging all government organs such as the Executive, Legislature and the Judiciary, to see to the implementations of the commission’s recommendations and decisions.
LAUNCHING OF NADD
Part 3
Lamin Waa Juwara’s Speech (Excerpts)
Today you have seen something that makes this day great. Let’s ask ourselves what brought us here? Is it that we are power hungry? If you see PDOIS and PPP coming together you should ask yourself what created that. You should ask yourself what gave rise to this. This is the outcome of the suppression of the people. We all cannot accept the Gambia to sink. Yahya’s manner of government has brought us together. What he is doing had happened in history, when Hitler wanted to destabilise the world, the world allied and fought against him. That is what we are doing today; we have allied to remove Yahya from office. Now, the time is up to look at what to do. We should talk about how to remove him out of power. How to vote him out is the question. What we should all do and talk about, should pertain to how to vote him out, if we could not do that each and everyone of us should resign from politics. We shall no more utter words to the people and they answer.
All of us need to think about how to vote Yahya out of office. We will not use guns because we are not soldiers, we will not come to power through a coup d’etat, but we have something that disciplines a leader.
Listen to what I will tell you. If you want peace and stability, you don’t have to fold your hands and expect it. For Yahya Jammeh, I know his attitude, he came to power through force, through law breaking with force, regardless of the rule of law. Who would deny that? What should we do then?
Abdou Joof today is highly respected in Senegalese society. Yahya knows that he does not have that reputation because of the way he is governing the Gambia.
All your hopes are combined together; a huge hope indeed, because we the leaders will be before you to remove Yahya from power. I have seen Yahya’s suppression on us for a long time now and asked him to quit power. That was why he told them to jail me. We will not surrender and never will we surrender. Today I will tell you what we are going to so. Before you kill a goat you must know what to do with it first. Your disease, I am not the only doctor who should tell you about your disease. If I examine you and discovered that you are suffering from malaria, I should also give you medication to cure that. I have examined Yahya’s repressive regime. Now we are to find the solution which is our duty. We must join hands.
A lot of things have happened in the country since he came to power, Koro Ceesay has died and no one knows how he died, lawyer Ousman Sillah was shot, the Printing Press of the “Independent” Newspaper was burnt and Hamat Bah suggested two suspects, there is yet no result from the police. Most recently Deyda Hydara was assassinated and no one is so far charged for the crime. This is not a time to play, we are in serious times. We should not merely observe what is happening in the country but do something about it. We have out rights and the attainment of our rights is what matters.
Yahya is illegally forcing the people to clean the environment. At least it should have come in a sensible way but in this case he is doing it madly. During that period of cleaning there could be some pregnant women who are on the process of delivering, and they should be taken to health centres; others don’t have their food, they need to go out and struggle for it. Even if they live in the same compound people cannot do the same thing all the time.
NAM UNHAPPY WITH POOR ENFORCEMENT OF ANTI-TOBACCO LAW
By Baboucarr K. Sowe
The National Assembly Member for Sami Constituency, Hon. Idrissa Samba Sallah who tabled the Prohibition of Smoking (public places) Act 1998 before the National Assembly has expressed his dissatisfaction with enforcement of the Act. Hon. Sallah made this statement in an interview with the Foroyaa Newspaper on this years World No-Tobacco Day (31st May).
“I am still unhappy with the general public and the law enforcement agencies with the way they are handling this law, because they are taking it to be very minor. They will just say a puff of cigarette is nothing, but as far as it can cause ill health or kill, it should be taken very seriously. What I need is the support of the public and the law enforcement officers and it should be written in all government premises that smoking is prohibited,” Hon Sallah indicated.
He added that though there is still rampant smoking in our society a bit have been at least achieved. He indicated that taking the advertising of tobacco in the country as reference, there is no form for advertising cigarettes in the Gambia now. “We are forging ahead really, we are fighting against all illicit drugs including tobacco. We have also put a law banning all forms of tobacco adverts in Gambia and is very effective” he noted.
Hon. Sallah described this bill as a historic one, since it is the only private member bill tabled before the National Assembly and it was unanimously ratified by both sides.
He also challenged the SoS for Health to come up with a cabinet paper and table it before the National Assembly members, since the prohibition of Smoking Act is not respected.
At The National Assembly
DoSE UNDER THE MICROSCOPE OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
Foroyaa has been publishing the report of the National Assembly Select Committee on Education and Training, submitted to the National Assembly for approval.
In this issue, Foroyaa will publish the general recommendations given by the select committee. According to the report, the following are highly recommended to ensure effective and efficient educational service delivery:-
a) That, the Gambia College redoubles its efforts to increase trained teachers, thus ensuring adequate and consistent supply of qualified teachers in schools especially in regions 5 and 6
b) That, incentive packages, monetary or otherwise including the construction of staff quarters are created especially for teachers serving in remote areas of the country
c) That, teachers’ emoluments be paid promptly especially newly qualified teachers from college
d) That, teachers promoted to substantive positions be prepared to take up their positions in the various schools rather than being allowed to remain in schools in the urban areas
e) That, double shift classes be taught by separate teachers to ensure effectiveness.
f) That, teachers in acting positions be paid allowances in accordance with the General Order (GO)
g) That, caretakers and watchmen in all schools be appointed and paid salaries.
h) That, Area Council assist in the fencing of schools within their jurisdiction to ensure security
i) That, lumos (weekly markets) that are operated near schools, be relocated
j) That, text books, especially for the core subjects be made available by the Department of State for Education (DOSE)
k) That, school furniture (where it is provided) never leave the school premises for whatever reason
l) That, the salaries of unqualified teachers be reviewed upwards a soon as practically possible
m) That relevant NGOs be encouraged to supplement the efforts of government (DOSE) in the construction of proper and adequate toilets for all schools (FIOH be commended here for what they are doing in the construction of classrooms and toilets and also the positions of furniture)
n) That all senior secondary schools be provided with well equipped science laboratories
o) That all technical workshops in upper basic schools be sufficiently equipped and made operational as soon as possible
p) That adequate land is provided for each school by the local authorities to establish school farms
q) That the fuel vote at the regional office be increased reasonably to ensure the effectiveness and regular supervision of schools
r) That parents/teachers’ association members be adequately trained and sensitized on their terms and reference
s) That regular in-service training for teachers be strengthened to ensure staff development
t) That a teaching service commission be established soonest to look into teachers welfare
u) That a university campus with basic facilities be built to create a conducive environment
v) That the compensation package forwarded by the university council be responded to urgently by government in a bid to create an enabling environment to attract the much needed qualified personnel
w) That the determination of the budgetary allocation to the university be more participatory and involve the university
x) That government provides soft loan schemes to GTTI to enable them meet their basic operational needs
y) That the GTTI Act be reviewed urgently
z) That government and indeed all public institutions patronize the foundry at the GTTI
The curtain is now drawn on the report of the National Assembly select committee on education and training.
See next issue for the report submitted by the National Assembly Select Committee on the Environment and Sustainable Development.
TRIAL OF EX-CHIEF JUNG KONTEH & CO
By Yaya Dampha & Tombong Jadama
Former Chief Jung Konteh and Mr. Saikou Mario Jarjue appeared in court in Brikama, on Wednesday 1st June, 2005, after being remanded at the Mile II for eight days. The duo are facing charges of felony contrary to Criminal Code Cap 10, Vol. 2, of the Laws of The Gambia.
When the case was mentioned, ASP Tejan Badjie stood up for the IGP, while Lawyers Lamin Jobarteh, L.F. Camara, Mai Fatty and Borry Touray, stood up for the accused persons.
At this point, the prosecution applied for an adjournment on the following reasons that the case file is still not handed over to the prosecution and also that the police team of investigators have this day left for Jouloulou, Cassamance, in the Republic of Senegal, in continuation of their investigations. He said that the team is expected back in a week’s time and that by that time the case file would be ready.
ASP Badjie said upon this notice, “We would rely on the indulgence of the court, to adjourn the case, to allow the (IPOS) investigative police officers to complete their work.”
In their reaction , the team of Lawyers led by Lawyer Jobarteh, said that it is common knowledge that cases should never be taken to court when the case file is not ready. He said that if the police are not ready, they should not come to court, particularly when the liberty of the accused is seized. He reminded the court that the accused persons were incarcerated under police detention for enough days and subsequently remanded by this court to allow the police to complete working on their files.
He went on to challenge the prosecution that they should not apply to remand the accused back in custody since they had enough time to prepare their case.
He asked how the police could still be investigating a matter that they are not yet sure of and still bringing the suspects to court, before establishing their facts. He pointed out that it is unfair and cannot be condoned. He said that the defence is therefore against any kind of adjournment and that the defence is applying for the court to proceed with the case.
In his ruling the presiding magistrate Bubacarr Jawo, ordered the matter to be adjourned to the 21st June 2005, and that the accused be bailed each with one Gambian surety for a sum of D30,000.00.
More than two hundred people who travelled from Kombo East constituency attended their ex chief’s trial. They rushed to the court clerk’s office with each of them ready to bail them for them to go home with their families.
NATIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE ESTABLISHED
By Bubacarr K. Sowe
The Secretary General and head of the civil service, Mr. Alieu Ngum has disclosed that efforts are being made to ensure the enabling environment for development, including the establishment of a National Planning Commission, Mr. Ngum made this remark on Thursday at the opening ceremony of a two day orientation workshop on the Common Country Assessment (CCA) and the United Nations Development Assistance Framework (UNDAF).
He added that government will continue to engage everyone in support of its programmes in governance, economic management, environment, human and institutional capacity building, health, food security, private sector development, population and gender, to name but a few of the sectors where consolidated intervention is most crucial.
“We have also successfully concluded the preparation of the second country report on progress made on the MDGs in the Gambia. The report is especially distinctive in that it is a localized report that tries to assess each Local Government Area (LGA) in this country and their capacity to reaching the different MDG targets. In this way, the report provides a useful profile for each LGA and clearly describes LGA’s in terms of their progress or other wise towards reaching the MDG goals and targets. This style of localized reporting format is new and is one that ensures that not only are local authorities widely consulted and involved in discussing their respective capacities for attaining the goals, but also take ownership of all the processes that will enhance these capacities,” Mr. Ngum asserted.
Speaking at the opening ceremony the UN Resident Coordinator, Dr. John O. Kakonge, said that this orientation workshop will assist us to understand how UN agencies and the government can collectively improve upon the use of these two instruments.
“We will explore how we can use the CCA/UNDAF process to better address the Gambia’s socio-economic development priorities, and we will consider how our linkages and joint programming can be enhanced,” Dr. Kakonge noted.
THE LAST DAYS OF THE CAMPAIGN
On the last days of the campaign for by-elections in Nianija Constituency and Njau Ward, the campaign for the heart and minds of the electorate is reaching its climax as the dying days pass by. The by-election will be held on Thursday 9th June, 2005.
This is the first battle between the two giants, the ruling APRC and the united opposition, NADD. This will give each the opportunity to test each other’s pulse and to better prepare themselves for 2006.
The Nianija seat is an APRC seat, but will they be able to retain their seat? Let us see what this day will bring, but if one is to go by the large turn out and the statement of the electorate at Saturday’s NADD rally, that they will teach the President a lesson, then that seat is slipping from the hand of the APRC. The members of the Executive Committee of NADD were present at the rally.
If APRC loses this seat it means it would have lost two National Assembly seats in two by-elections.
The NADD was scheduled to hold a rally at Njau to be attended by members of the Executive Committee yesterday. Njau is an opposition seat and the signs are that the seat will be retained.
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