I see I'm dealing with a fool here. Is Yaya being a tribalist my issue
with you? If that is what you think my beef is, then, I rest my case,
because you are beyond help.
Chi Jaama
Joe Sambou
> Joe,
> This is an absolute rubbish! I will not waste my time on this nonsence
> exchange. You are rushing again to judgement just as usual. Do you know
> that I am not a member at the G-post? Where did Ebou send this mail? I
> think I should ask you whether you are well ? Stop your speculations
> and leave people with their views.
> I, for one, will never change my stance of calling Yaya a tribalist, if
> this is hurting you. You can say whatever you want.
>
> Elhajj.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 6:03 PM
> Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!
>
>
>> You see, this is what I thought was going on and you just confirmed
>> it. Elhajj, you really cannot separate Yaya the Jola and Jolas as a
>> group. To you, Yaya is a Jola, therefore, all Jolas are culpable for
>> everything he does. What nonsense! While you are at it, why don't
>> you say that I am in touch with Yaya privately and I'm an informant.
>> This is the sort of nonsense you will not sneak in here - tribalism.
>>
>> "You mention in one of your mails that Tombong said, the people
>> shouting
> on
>> the G-L and the G-post are the followers of the Yaya sycophants. COULD
>> YOU AND TOMBONG POINT YOUR FINGERS
>> TO WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE ?"
>>
>> Since you brought this foreign subject up in this discussion, may be
>> you
> are
>> one of those people and if the cap fits wear it.
>>
>> "Joe, you last went to Gambia in the year 2000, and you had no problem
> with
>> the Yaya government. As you said in your Tam Tam interview, you are
>> always in touch with Gambia and
>> you know everything happening on the ground. I think we have a
>> different case."
>>
>> Elhajj, why don't you speak on something you know? How the hell is
> someone
>> in the US going to be in tune with what happens on the ground if you
>> do
> not
>> talk to those that can give you info., on the ground. So, I should
>> get
> that
>> info., from Sweden? How does Ebrima Ceesay give us info. on the
>> ground
> from
>> the UK? Elhajj, are you well?
>>
>> "Joe, I agree with you that Yaya is surrounded by other tribes. But
>> could you kindly tell us who are controlling the army ( carrying arms
>> everyday ) and all the other security positions? Maybe you have some
>> information
> about
>> that, more than the soldiers who were with them."
>>
>> Elhajj, if the Jolas are heading the Army, which I agree with,
>> however,
> they
>> are not even a tenth in the Army, and Yaya is still in power, don't
>> common sense tell you that the Leaders in the army and the rest are
>> what is
> keeping
>> Yaya in power? Are you that naive? The last time I checked,
>> Mandingoes
> are
>> the majority in the army, why do you think Yaya is still in power, 10
> years
>> and counting, Sherlock? Again, common sense should tell you that
> sycophancy
>> and self interest in all aspects of Gambian life is what is keeping
>> Jammeh in power, the army included. Yours and mine in the army are?
>> Elhajj, I
> do
>> not speak of Gambians in terms of their ethnicity and your silly
>> comments are not going to make me start. What I can guarantee you is
>> that I shall challenge any of you that want to use the ethnicity card
>> to polarize Gambians. Yaya is a tribalist, but you are not that far
>> from him with
> your
>> views. Yaya will Kill Elhajj because he is Serrer and spare Joe
>> because
> he
>> is Jola. Are you on crack?
>>
>> Remember, not too long ago, you were in bed with Ebou Jallow when he
>> was Yaya's Jali, how did that happen? You were in bed with a known
>> thief and liar and was willing to defend him at all cost, now you
>> going to come here and trip about being the "Most Wanted" by Yaya.
>> Did you say zilch when
> Ebou
>> begged Yaya for mercy and his campaign on behalf of Yaya subsequently,
>> barely a year ago? Where were you with your anti Yaya stance, then?
>> You'll embarked on religious hypocrisy and made so much noise blessing
> each
>> other right here. However, where were you when Ebou was all over
>> Islam
> and
>> Mohammed? Again hypocrisy and inconsistency. Just in case you slide
>> into selective amnesia, were you not the same fellow that brought up
>> the issue
> of
>> the first republic any time someone said anything about Yaya, not too
>> long ago? You remember when myself and Yus were on your case then?
>> Rest assured, this tribalism nonsense of yours will be dealt with
>> anytime you
> or
>> anyone try to use it to polarize Gambians. That you can take to the
>> bank.
>>
>> Chi Jaama
>>
>> Joe Sambou
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
>> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> ><[log in to unmask]>
>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!
>> >Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:22:12 +0200
>> >
>> >Joe,
>> >I, for one, have NEVER changed my stance of calling Yaya a tribalist,
> armed
>> >thief, armed murderer, Tony Daaba and Armuumin. I stand firm by what
>> >I am writing,
>> >and saying in all the midia houses. You mention in one of your mails
>> >that Tombong said, the people shouting on the G-L and the G-post are
>> >the followers of the Yaya sycophants. COULD YOU AND TOMBONG POINT
>> >YOUR
> FINGERS
>> >TO WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE ? I care less about what these sycophants
>> >are having, and be rest assured that another government will recover
> every
>> >single butut they stole from the Gambian people. Joe, you last went
>> >to Gambia in the year 2000, and you had no problem with the Yaya
>> >government. As
>> >you said in your Tam Tam interview, you are always intouch with
>> >Gambia
> and
>> >you know everything happening on the ground. I think we have a
>> >different case. Yaya will not hesitate to murder me, if I step my
>> >foot in Gambia. I left Gambia in 1994 after I was harassed and my
>> >passport seized, and I
> have
>> >never returned there again. I passed through the airport without a
> passport
>> >returning back to Sweden with the last SPIES flight in 1994, and I
>> >really have no information about what is going on on the ground. So
>> >pls., both
> you
>> >and Tombong should tell us who the sycophants followers are, rather
>> >than using ironical words on the G-L and G-P. I will never associate
>> >myself
> with
>> >these people, who are having Gambian blood on their hands. The ghosts
>> >of our
>> >innocent brothers and children are hunting them both day and night,
>> >so these
>> >people have their own problems with no end of sleepless nights. I
>> >care
> much
>> >about my pride and not the worldly goods, which all of us will leave
>> >behind.
>> >Even their boss Tony Daabaa does not have that blessing for me to
>> >follow him, to get some of his stolen wealth. Joe, I agree with you
>> >that Yaya
> is
>> >surrounded by other tribes. But could you kindly tell us who are
>> >controlling
>> >the army ( carrying arms everyday ) and all the other security
>> >positions? Maybe you have some information about that, more than the
>> >soldiers who
> were
>> >with them.
>> >
>> >Elhajj.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:49 PM
>> >Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!
>> >
>> >
>> > > Binneh, thanks for your response. We both agree that Yaya is a
>> >tribalist
>> > > and would use anyone to that end. However, unlike Rwanda, the
> majority
>> >that
>> > > are doing Yaya's dirty work are the sycophants that run the whole
> ethnic
>> > > spectrum, thus my mention of Mandinka, Wolof, and Fula, etc., not
>> > > just Mandinka alone. I care less what Yaya's ethnicity is, just
>> > > like I
> care
>> >less
>> > > what religion he is. I am not constrained by tribe, religion,
>> >friendship,
>> > > bloodlines or any of those baseless leanings, thus, I'm surprised
>> > > by
> the
>> > > insinuation. I also never mentioned a RED anything in my
>> > > response, so
> I
>> >do
>> > > not know why the reference in your response. When you said:
>> > >
>> > > "Majority versus minority feelings feelings that are being
>> > > provoked by
>> >one
>> > > leader and HIS FOLLOWERS for political and selfish reasons."
>> > >
>> > > Who are the followers, ARPC or Jolas? I say the followers are
>> > > APRC,
> and
>> > > they run the entire ethnic spectrum. Please correct me if I'm
> mistaken.
>> > >
>> > > "The nocturnal dances that Yahya organizes at his village every
>> > > day
> have
>> >an
>> > > underlying ethnocentric meaning. He projects those dances on
>> > > national
> TV
>> > > while other tribes are watching with anger.Journalists are obliged
>> > > to concentrate on projecting the traditional displays of one
>> > > tribe(being
>> >his)
>> > > on national TV."
>> > >
>> > > We agree on what Yaya does above. However, I'm also saying that
>> > > the
>> >other
>> > > tribes that you say are watching are the APRC folks that includes
> Jolas.
>> > > Again, it is not ethnicity but the sycophancy of all around him.
> Please
>> > > correct me if I am mistaken.
>> > >
>> > > "These tribes men use machetes,knives and other things to show
>> > > other
>> >tribes
>> > > that they are spiritually powerful and that is appealing which is
>> >fuelling
>> > > hidden reactions within other circles back home."
>> > >
>> > > Now, we are not talking about Yaya here, but a group. Am I right
>> > > in
>> >that
>> > > assumption?
>> > >
>> > > "Why doesn't Yahya invite other tribes and ethnic groups to
>> > > display
> and
>> >then
>> > > he sells that to the outside world as one Gambia?"
>> > >
>> > > Again, we agree that Yaya is a tribalist.
>> > >
>> > > "Within Yahya's own ethnic group there are people who he sees as
>> >inferior
>> > > because his own immedaitely family geneology are better when it
>> > > comes
> to
>> > > such magical powers.Yahya's myopic ethno! centric and
>> > > paternalistic
>> >feelings
>> > > are meant to provoke an ethnic conflict."
>> > >
>> > > Yes, I agree with your first sentence, that Yaya is a tribalist.
>> >However,
>> >I
>> > > do not see the link in your second, because the sycophants that
> surround
>> >him
>> > > are not only Jola, but across all ethnic groups. So, who is going
>> > > to conduct the ethnic cleansing for him? I suppose not FJC et al,
>> > > for
> they
>> > > control what goes on in that country.
>> > >
>> > > Minteh, please understand that there is Yaya as an individual and
>> > > a
>> >Jola,
>> > > and there are innocent Jolas that are anti what Yaya stands for,
>> > > just
>> >like
>> > > you. What I will challenge is the use of Yaya as a Jola to make
>> >spillover
>> > > statements that will unduly characterize other Jolas and I would
>> > > have reacted if the same was said about any ethnic group. Like I
>> > > told
> Elhajj
>> >a
>> > > while back, there is a difference between discussing Yaya's
>> > > tribalism
>> >and
>> > > making tribalistic statements. The former is the description of
>> > > the behavior of an individual and the latter is the smearing of a
>> > > whole
>> >group
>> > > wrongly. The sycophants that do the damage in Gambia is what is
>> >bringing
>> > > Gambia down and not Yaya's ethnicity, even though Yaya is a
>> > > tribalist.
>> >The
>> > > only way you can have ethnic cleansing is when the entire
>> > > leadership
> is
>> >from
>> > > a homogeneous group. Can you say that about Gambia and those
>> > > around
>> >Yaya?
>> > > I also do not think of Gambians in terms of ethnicity and would
>> >challenge
>> > > any regardless ethnicity, religion, friendship, or blood lines if
>> > > I
>> >disagree
>> > > with their position. Mine was not to critisize you but to argue
>> > > that
> it
>> >is
>> > > sycophancy that is destroying us and not Yaya's stupid tribalism,
>> > > thus
>> >my
>> > > examples of who is around him.
>> > >
>> > > I also think we have more in common in getting Yaya and the APRC
>> > > out
> and
>> > > that, you can take to the bank.
>> > >
>> > > Chi Jaama
>> > >
>> > > Joe Sambou
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >From: Binneh S Minteh <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> > > ><[log in to unmask]>
>> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
>> > > >Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!
>> > > >Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:34:52 -0500
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > >From: Binneh S Minteh <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> > > ><[log in to unmask]>
>> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
>> > > >Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!
>> > > >Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:34:52 -0500
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > _________________________________________________________________
>> > > Persistent heartburn? Check out Digestive Health & Wellness for
>> >information
>> > > and advice. http://gerd.msn.com/default.asp
>> > >
>> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To
>> > > Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to:
>> >http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?S1=gambia-l
>> > > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to:
>> > > [log in to unmask]
>> > >
>> > > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the
>> >Gambia-L
>> >Web interface
>> > > at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html
>> > >
>> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to:
>> >http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?S1=gambia-l
>> >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to:
>> >[log in to unmask]
>> >
>> >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the
>> >Gambia-L Web interface
>> >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html
>> >
>> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________ Tax
>> headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS forms
> and
>> more! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/workshop/welcome.asp
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to:
> http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?S1=gambia-l
>> To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to:
>> [log in to unmask]
>>
>> To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the
>> Gambia-L
> Web interface
>> at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to:
> http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?S1=gambia-l To contact the List
> Management, please send an e-mail to:
> [log in to unmask]
>
> To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the
> Gambia-L Web interface at:
> http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--
Chi Jaama
Joe Sambou
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?S1=gambia-l
To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to:
[log in to unmask]
To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface
at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
