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The Land. Who's in charge?

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=The+Land+Problem+in+Zimbabwe&btnG=Search&meta=


> 
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Date: 2007/04/06 fr AM 02:51:04 CEST
> To: [log in to unmask]
> 獻ne: Re: Zimbabwe/ About Cornelius
> 
>  Kabir,
>  
>  I think Cornelius here knows the facts but he definitely has an agenda based on all we have seen from him so far. I would not waste time on him at all. Let us just watch him do his dance.
>  
>  Jabou Joh
>     
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: [log in to unmask]
>  To: [log in to unmask]
>  Sent: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 7:22 PM
>  Subject: Re: Zimbabwe
>  
>   Are you serious? You think I give a damn who you are related to, whose 
>  company you keep or what books you have read? What use is your familiarity 
>  with colonial history or the books you have read when you cannot get a point 
>  as simple as honouring an agreement signed at the dawn of independence to 
>  return stolen land? 
>  
>  Keep on googling... At the end of the day if you haven't learnt better than 
>  to take the side of a double-crossing thief you would not have come far. 
>  
>  To disregard the fact that thousand of families are suffering daily because 
>  the economically powerful relatives of the thief gang up and demand that 
>  unless the thief retains the stolen property they will strangulate their 
>  small economy and make them continue to catch hell. 
>  
>  To disregard that fact that when the aggrieved party, after decades of 
>  suffering they could tolerate no longer, mobilized to fight against their 
>  oppressor thieves, got an agreement from the thieves and their relatives 
>  that the stolen property will be returned only to be nakedly and shamelessly 
>  double-crossed. 
>  
>  To side with the thief when a fight ensues over returning the stolen 
>  property - a fight in the the thief is far more well-off than the victim and 
>  does not even need the stolen property for his continued survival - but 
>  continue to highlight and trumpet the fact that agents of the thieves have 
>  been dealt broken noses and bruises. 
>  
>  When you cannot see beyond the broken noses and bruises and ask why the 
>  parties are fighting in the first place, or when you are told why they are 
>  fighting you elect to ignore the facts of history and bury your head in the 
>  sand because for one reason or another you cannot fathom why Black people 
>  would stand up for their rights, especially against Europeans. 
>  
>  That to me is to say that Black people are not equal or don't deserve the 
>  same rights and treatment as all other people; that Black people should just 
>  let Europeans continue to control their economies and be content with 
>  whatever crumbs come their way. 
>  
>  If that is your justification for labelling me "Black Radical" you must be 
>  the most clueless Black man that ever lived. Googling "Kabir" won't help 
>  you; googling "Mugabe" won't help you either. Nor will highlighting all the 
>  symptoms of the Zimbabwe crisis. Get to the bottom of the issue, the Land 
>  Issue for which Zimbabweans shed their blood only for your idols to pull 
>  this big double-cross that they have been making attempts for years to 
>  camouflage with lies and deception. 
>  
>  That is what I am interested in. Robert Mugabe is just and individual. It is 
>  the policies that he stands for that I support, it could have been any other 
>  Zimbabwean for that matter. As far as they continue to demand the stolen 
>  land back we are on the same page Your ilk have been so blinded by Western 
>  progagand that you cannot see beyond the person of Mugabe at the bigger 
>  picture: the rights of Zimbabweans to regain land that was stolen at gun 
>  point; daylight robbery! 
>  
>  You can go to all the higher institutions of learning in the world, at the 
>  end of the day if what you have learnt does not avail you the wherewithal to 
>  recocnise injustice it would all have been in vain, naught! 
>  
>  So save yourself the trouble "Mr Hemelberg," for I don't see what you could 
>  possibly come with to defend this indefensible act of deceit and betrayal. 
>  The very reason you have been avoiding the point at the centre of this whole 
>  saga, the land issue is that the land thieves and those fighting their 
>  battles in all the international stage have not given you a plausible 
>  justification to argue with. So unless you address the land issue I'm not 
>  going to waste my time engaging you, for whatever you may come with I can 
>  get from the source, your masters! 
>  
>  Kabir. 
>  
>  
>  On 4/6/07, Cornelius Edward Hamelberg <[log in to unmask]> 
>  wrote: 
>  > 
>  > Kabir, 
>  > 
>  > http://www.statehouse.gm/tijankabbah-visit_030407.htm 
>  > 
>  > http://news.sl/drwebsite/publish/article_20055173.shtml 
>  > 
>  > I will give you the attention that you deserve, but right now, I'm 
>  > otherwise 
>  > engaged. I am familiar with (African )colonial history in some 
>  > depth: India, 
>  > North America, Australia, Algeria, Ghana, Kenya, South Africa, Congo, 
>  > Nigeria, Guinea, of course Zimbabwe, you name it and people like Walter 
>  > Rodney and even the type of ideas that you are likely to find in the Race 
>  > and 
>  > History website. Apart from that I have kept the company of some of these 
>  > people. So please excuse me for the next couple of hours and ? respect - 
>  > let 
>  > me return to give you the answer that should engage you, so that although 
>  > you may be Sir Mr. Black Radical, I won't let you down. 
>  > My second brother (I have three) is married to a Zimbabwean whose mother 
>  > is 
>  > Boer from South Africa and whose father is Black and from Zimbabwe. 
>  > 
>  > http://www.raceandhistory.com/Zimbabwe/ 
>  > 
>  > Later. 
>  > 
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